Mmm

Well I don't feel the need to defend qanon heh

What exactly is qanon saying these days?

Well, if the left conspiracy theories are worse, then any other is necessarily true. Science

Yeah but it’s interesting because the beginning of the hangout was viva and Barnes complaining how they got a lot of qanon hate but they still have to frame it a way the the left is much worse conspiracy wise. Which I’m not too sure about @realz

Me neither

I think that we are almost to the point of having a system in place that will ensure free and fair elections. I think that having voting machines with paper ballot backup is the right approach and more secure than paper ballots only. They provide a check/balance on each other. With paper only, people will claim that someone replaced votes in the background. Electronic only can potentially be hacked with not way of knowing what actually occurred. If we add the ability for people to log in and check that their recorded ballot matched what they intended. And add the ability to issue a Voter Photo ID at the time of registration to people who don't have photo ID and/or enable 2-factor authentication for voter identification. It will close all remaining known vulnerabilities.

You (royal you) have to learn not to hold anyone to a pedestal standard, and "eat the meat spit out the bones"; I disagree with Barnes often and I still appreciate his vast knowledge and his insights

who is Barnes

and just as importantly, having partisan poll watchers.

I only put legal eagle on a pedestal @realz

(I’m kidding)

Yeah I agree. Only the random sampling audit scheme would close some more holds.

Sure... but I think that those other safeguards might reduce the need for them.

That's what bothers me about Good Robert, I find him too reasonable and I can't find myself disagreeing with anything he says

I am a fan of Risk Limiting Audits, too.

> My point is, if faced with the same decision again in 2024 as they were in 2020, it's likely they will vote the same way
@Adam135 Probably most will vote that way again but it doesn't make them all fanatics of the sort which we may see from time to time.

In Canada, nothing is done electronically, nor do we have absentee ballots. Everything is done by hand with 3 scrutineers watching each poll worker count and tabulate the votes.

Robert Barnes a self identifying "big wig" right wing political lawyer who has vast knowledge on constitutional law politics

You can find him interviewed on various channels but most often on Viva Frei

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzGiDDKdphJ0GFvEd82WfYQ

You Canadians are way more trusting than us Americans...

Can I lighten the mood a little bit from all this arguing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQz9Vi3jVcs Come back from watching this refreshed and ready to debate again

Good Robert (Gruler) has recommended Barnes a couple times I think

He's not a blind trumpean though

quite the opposite actually, it's done out of fear that anything electronic can be tampered or altered and well justified. That's why 3 volunteers watch every poll worker count the votes. If you ever have any vital documentation you don't want anyone to access remotely, the last place you would store it is on your hard drive.

If you get mad when someone doesn't think Dominion is anything bad, then you might rage quit

I don't think Dominion is bad, I just think it's cheap hardware

and doesn't offer much in the way of security

I mean he doesn't give any credence to the conspiracy theories and/or to the supposed evidence

Lots of people quit Frei's stream when they criticized powell and giuliani

And we've seen a bunch of people of such attitude visit this discord

I think we think there are more blind Trumpeans than there really are. They get mixed in with blind anti-left. The Trumpeans are just out there screaming louder.

you mean cheap software?

Yes, you can tell a lot about an ideology by how readily they decry people as apostates.

And how violent the reaction is. We're seeing a lot of that.

conspiracy theories

https://www.theorganicprepper.com/crazy-conspiracy-theories-2020/

That's the problem with industries with a limited customer base. I have worked with the Entertainment Industry for most of my professional career and it is a very limited universe. As a result, it's hard to find vendors that are willing to invest heavily in that space. The economies for the potential ROI are just lacking.

Maybe the paradigm that everything should be sourced privately is not as solid as we would like to think.

Gah I actually went through that and it was underwhelming

Lol your expectations might be somewhat to blame, buddy.