@james j, @JonasRobert is just trying to muck about. He/She is falling back on the logic that a single affidavit is technically evidence. And its true it is. But it does not mean that "evidence" is reliable or substancial enough to support the underlying claims. And Court after court, Judge after judge has told us that the "evidence" is NOT reliable, extremely speculative and in many cases even if true would not establish fraud.
Reviewing signatures on absentee ballots and returning to normal rejection rates alone would be enough to over turn this election in the contested states.
I feel like you're making a good faith attempt but my whole point was to eventually hope that you would realize that maybe you expect an unrealistic standard for what evidence would be needed? if you cannot even describe what your evidence would potentially look like....
I’m fine with saying it can go in the pile of evidence but doesn’t graduate to valid or useful evidence @JonasRobert If I made up a story and signed a affidavit that is technically evidence
Yes it is. Expensive, time consuming. And experts IT folks can disagree. Team Trump could find one to say he sees fraud. Team Biden could find one to say that IT guy is an idiot. It is RIDICULOUS to go down that path because Trump is butt hurt.
@JonasRobert building a case worn a bunch of useable , valid and irrefutable evidence is how you move the needle. So far everything that has been presented does not reach that level of evidence
just try to remember that people literally go to prison for life based on witness testimony, I think in this case because the stakes are so high, people have unrealistic standards of evidence, thats all
But what he is not telling you is that these eye witness affidavits have been reviewed by judge after judge and they don't even meet the MUCH MUCH lower bar of a preponderance of the evidence.
@JD~Jordan you spent half of this convo not even understanding what the issue over sharpies is LOL. @james j and I have a disagreement but hes not being a jerk about it
To say there is "evidence" is really pointless here. You are playing a game of semantics, @JonasRobert . I absolutely agree that affidavits are technically evidence. But the might NOT be evidence of the claims in the lawsuits... which is exactly what the courts have been saying
@JonasRobert we are not dealing with evidence that rises to the level of useable or verifiable. Many people have gone to jail of off false eye witness testimony and many times these people get exonerated after it turns out there was conflicting evidence/proof or the person lied
Judges already have a bias against ruling on elections. They'll use any excuse to avoid it. Reminder. Bush lost every law suit until the supreme court.
well i agree totally with the 2nd part. i personally feel the evidence we have is verifiable and useable, but I understand someone not agreeing with that as well
@JonasRobert also it’s not on me to prove this wild accusation of wide spread voter fraud. The neutral position is that the election was no different then an other election. Also with the current evidence what do you think is the strongest
These voting machines approved for use by officials who dont actually have their IT test for absolute security is only one part of many irregularities. Officials are not doing their jobs that they committed to do.
@JonasRobert I am not asking you to take my word for anything. We have court records now. We have rulings of judges that make it clear the "evidence" is crap.
Lots of people confuse evidence and proof. And I don't think you are... I think you understand the difference. But just because there are affidavits does not mean that evidence goes to prove the claim.
If I give an affidavit that I went to polling place X and I was treated poorly and I felt abused and I am just as sure as I can possible be that they threw my vote away or somehow changed it - it is technically evidence. It however is NOT evidence that would go to prove my allegation of fraud.
I wasn't lying in my affidavit. All of it happen. And I may truly believe my vote didnt get counted. But nothing in that affidavit goes to PROVE my allegation.
And this is what the courts are telling us. Just read the opinion. They are online. The complaints are online, the affidavits are there, the responses are online and the judges rulings are there.
Don't believe me... that is fine. You don't know me. But why dare you refusing to believe these judges who have weighed the evidence and found it severely lacking... why not believe them?
