Message from @Adam135

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2020-12-03 06:59:49 UTC  

Doesn't matter at that point, they can play that same clip of her shouting that these witnesses are lying over and over again all over social media

2020-12-03 07:00:17 UTC  

Literally giving sway to their argument in public opinion

2020-12-03 07:01:58 UTC  

Yeah true

2020-12-03 07:02:58 UTC  

I find it interesting that those on the right will use concerns about experience, principles and honesty to impugn Harris - who has served CA admirably at every step of her career. As far as experience goes, her resume is arguably stronger than Trump's was when he took office with regard to running a govt - and no amount of admiration for his maverick, swamp-draining, thinking out of the box platitudes can belie the fact that he had to learn on the job after taking office. Regarding principles and honesty, Donald Trump is no paragon of either of those traits. Concerns about a more progressive agenda are the equivalent of the left's fears of Trumps authoritarian or fascistic agenda - both are fearmongering and potential impediments to getting the country back on track, in my opinion.

2020-12-03 07:05:50 UTC  

I wouldn't be worried too much. Biden was a military parent. He will not be inclined to keep our troops deployed unnecessarily.

2020-12-03 07:08:12 UTC  

I mean, she got caught for supressing evidence until forced to do, you have to hold yourself to higher standard of ethics if you're gonnah go against Trump. And as for our troops, I'm not so sure. Under Obama/Biden we went from 2 wars to 7, and I can't really remember the justification for why.

2020-12-03 07:09:18 UTC  

What 7 wars??? What parallel universe did you come from?

2020-12-03 07:09:45 UTC  

let me see if I can find it.

2020-12-03 07:10:07 UTC  

Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia

2020-12-03 07:10:07 UTC  

We still buying these tall tales from these hearings and taking them as fact?

2020-12-03 07:10:15 UTC  

All bombed

2020-12-03 07:10:52 UTC  

Yemen was through giving Saudi’s Arabian terrorists money

2020-12-03 07:11:07 UTC  

By terrorists I mean the monarchs of Saudi Arabia

2020-12-03 07:11:44 UTC  

Also, didn't he kill an American in Yemen he suspected to be the son of a terrorist?

2020-12-03 07:11:52 UTC  

Yep

2020-12-03 07:12:04 UTC  

If you are worried about boots on the ground in middle east why a beef with a "war" without boots on ground

2020-12-03 07:12:19 UTC  

Drone wars

2020-12-03 07:12:29 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771201221145919499/783953794899509248/unknown.png

2020-12-03 07:13:08 UTC  

and then of course Colbert sucks up to Obama during an interview about his latest book.

2020-12-03 07:13:30 UTC  

What about war of Christmas and drugs 😅

2020-12-03 07:15:02 UTC  

I mean, during those 8 years, our administration killed more innocent civilians than the terrorist groups they claimed to be fighting.

2020-12-03 07:17:19 UTC  

Adam did but hey that seems like a rational response

2020-12-03 07:17:50 UTC  

I said nothing of the sort you muppet,

2020-12-03 07:18:28 UTC  

If you have a hard time following this, I can understand, but please verify first.

2020-12-03 07:18:39 UTC  

You didnt say you were concerned about Biden not withdrawing troops then turn around and complain Obama was handling conflicts without troops?

2020-12-03 07:19:00 UTC  

We still have troops there nonetheless

2020-12-03 07:19:47 UTC  

If you're going to go on bombing runs, why even have troops on the ground at all.

2020-12-03 07:24:30 UTC  

My personal gripes with all this are A: Our military force shouldn't be taken for granted, so there should be immediate withdrawal of all American forces occupying those territories and B: The number of civilian casualties for a conflict with so little justification for intervention is unacceptable in my opinion

2020-12-03 07:30:11 UTC  

Remain civil in here, no wishes of violence on other people, nor attacks against other people.

2020-12-03 07:31:41 UTC  

You know, except for brown people over seas.

2020-12-03 07:33:42 UTC  

What about secession talk? @Maw

2020-12-03 07:34:10 UTC  

Peaceful brexit administrative type

2020-12-03 07:35:40 UTC  

How about "I hope the consequences of the policies which you're making excuses for that effect people in other countries are visited upon you"?

2020-12-03 07:35:55 UTC  

I am not as familiar with this particular talking point, so I am doing some research. To call those "wars" is a bit of a stretch and several of those we have been dealing since way before the Obama administration.
The US has:
- had skirmishes with Libya since the 80's
- conducted drone strikes in Yemen since the mid 00's (hundreds of them by some accounts)
- we have not been at war with Pakistan, but have been carrying out drone strikes since at least 2004.
- Syria is complicated, but the alternative to not getting involved was potentially worse.

I don't have fully formed opinions yet, but on the surface, characterizing these as 5 "wars" started under Obama is not an accurate description of what happened.

2020-12-03 07:35:58 UTC  

No.

2020-12-03 07:37:08 UTC  

Bombs are acts of war. He did dropped 1 bomb every 12 minutes or something like that.

2020-12-03 07:37:53 UTC  

Not that volume no

2020-12-03 07:38:04 UTC  

but acts of war nonetheless in my opinion

2020-12-03 07:38:51 UTC  

sorry, updated. 12 minutes.

2020-12-03 07:39:10 UTC  

And as for Syria, it was always a losing battle. There remained little to gain, and even less to sustain

2020-12-03 07:39:18 UTC  

By this same definition, Trump has started more... Each of these has continued under Trump and he added Iran by assassinating their General. Plus, he failed to take measures to protect the troops when they learned that bounties were put on the heads of our soldiers.