Yes, under Obama (who got a Nobel Peace Prize) was involved in war all 8 years of his administration.

yeah Trump built more wall than parts of gitmo that Obama closed

@Zuluzeit and myself shouldn't be having hot takes, but here we are. This is a symptom of the existing problem with American politics.

Im sorry computer is freezing up. Its past my bedtime anyway. Nice chat. Will try to respond later @Maw @AOH_Assassin and @Bey

I glossed over the 'if', sorry. But don't see a question mark. 😉
No worries. I get it. I try to be fair to both sides and I get into trying to bring balance to the conversation. I don't doubt there are some bad actors out there, but I have yet to see anything of any scale. We here tend to defer to seeing what happens in the courts. If you have a chance, I highly recommend watching the NV court hearing live stream from today. The audio quality is bad, but you can still follow it. You can skip the first preliminary stuff. Each side takes about 40 minutes to present the case..

Not gonna happen. Lol. Hillary walked free. No confidence after that decision.

That's if we expand the definition of war to an extent such that it is meaningless.

Those Nobel guys must feel ridiculous for that hahaha.

@JD~Jordan Goodnight, sleep well!

Thank God. The wall was the one promise I hoped he wouldn't keep.

Why the hell would I want to be locked in here with you people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq4c2lFMmmU

Something stinks badly huh?

@WaffleWaffle yeah prob, but he did screw over many allies like the Kurds. In efforts to look good to the public instead of making real troop pullouts he pulled out a small handful screwing over our closest allies.

> @Zuluzeit and myself shouldn't be having hot takes, but here we are. This is a symptom of the existing problem with American politics.
@Maw Meh. No one is completely immune to this insanity. I have a joke I will send you.

Zulu and I picked different candidates but we agree on practically everything else.

This should be how America is.

He doesn't care about allies. At all. He's so focused on America.

Except it's far from that now.

You call it a problem. I call it the solution to the problem of our empire.

Yes, I know you want balkanization. lol

I'm getting what I want tho

😄

I heard about one of those megatrends studies that predicted America would split in three in the next 100 years.

@WaffleWaffle, you just advanced to level 2!

Damn I'm on fire!

20 years, without a great war with an external threat, we're broken up.

A short 12 year old video is not at all equivalent to the Trump cult. Why won’t you admit that there is no comparable thing on the left. It’s in their nature to constantly argue not fall behind a leader. Like I said Obama lost support, even in his first term when he had the senate and the house and did nothing. Nobody like a ineffectual leader especially when you had the chance @Bey

I prefer balkanization over civil war 1000%.

How many levels are there?

@james j Trump never had this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA

looking good is what he cares about. He got a bunch of out allied killed in exchange for bringing back a handful of troops . @Maw

You mean pointles sentimentalism?

What?

A single american life is worth all those minions.

Good. Nobody should ever partner with us again.

Are you kidding me he has a tons of people like that @Bey

Just by pulling out of every treatie and accord, you don't need actual war casualties.

So you are denying the Obama/Biden "cult" following frm 2008 onward?

Traitors to their people.

Do you mean pizzagate and such?