Yes there is, your point being?

It happens less frequently the higher you go.

If one person needs to fraud up 20,000 ballots, that would be no problem. I can coordinate that on my way to work one day.

It should be obvious... The former is possible. The latter is nearly impossible.

I think the DOI is investigating the possibility of it being an organized effort. You merely have to turn on any TV to see the consensus of news that might imply this as a factor. Social media companies acting as arbiters of truth is not a good sign.

Why is that obvious? Why is this relevant?

Well we learned that the peaceful protests were not all peaceful precisely because it was loosely organized and folks joined in and live streamed it and we were able to see that in some cases they were actually riots going on. So where's the equivalent of that if there was all this loosely organized election fraud going on. Again we're talking tens of thousands of ballots stuffed in multiple counties across multiple states from this loose organization. Odds are if that occurred we would have video and direct testimony about this from people that participated in it.

"Is this what cyber warfare looks like?" I think is the question being asked.

This isn't what a cyber war looks like bro.

Just saying

Iunno man, the whole Dominion software shit's pretty sketch.

@Corndog you start form the neutral of no fraud (like every other election) , you don’t start with mass voter fraud and demand you prove it to be false otherwise we cannot go further, we have never done that for any election. This is just Trump telling people there is fraud and just running with it.

Coming from a position of utter incompetence, I thought cyber-warfare was taking out eachothers infrastruture by means of computer sabotage?

@Recalibar without a doubt it's sketchy and archaically designed around 1776 notions of an election.

But when I think cyber war I think infrastructure getting torn apart... Like reactor meltdowns.

right

and coms

I disagree that is the neutral stance. Can you support that claim that it is normal there is not fraud in an election?

Or a system of malicious actors working to undermine the US government in tandem... like a US election. I can't back up such a claim except with what's being discussed on the table.

@Recalibar, you just advanced to level 8!

You got to leave the com up until the rest of the infrastructure is toasted.

"Big, if true."

@Recalibar That I know. That is called asymmetric warfare.

And it is certainly in effect all over the globe.

since 1776. 😄

when france payed for a certain revolution.

Preponderance of evidence standard in the court will be what counts and so the assumption will be no fraud occurred unless it's proven based on that standard.

If you want to argue State actor stuff the ballot box in states where ballots were mailed out willy-nilly, that could be another story.

You already got this Coronel talking about Iran and Choyna running ballot switching efforts through Dominion being presented before state legislatures.

See where I'm getting at?

There should be another layer of authentication added to ballot requests.

@Recalibar Ya. I regard that as propaganda, until someone can show me something.

@Corndog no the claim is there is fraud every election but not enough to make a difference. Your position puts trumps election into question, Obama, bush etc

Mail out of pin code or pass number with the number to call to request the actual ballot this number calls back the first.

So you can make certain the end user collar isn't spoofing.

Fair enough, and it's reasonable to say so. It's just strange to me how we've all been talking about the Russians and foreign interference for the last 4 years and then presume all of a sudden it didn't happen.

@Recalibar But being a complete computer moron, I probably would not recognize any such documentation if it was standing in my garden with bright flashing neon lights saying: "I am proof of computer-election-fraud"

@Recalibar Most major geopolitical actors are constantly trying to sabotage eachother by all means proper. Since Herman flipped on Rome.

Neither would anybody in Georgia which is why the Secretary of State insisted that they had paper ballots and why they eventually counted them by hand.

good to know I am not the only moron, then.

Sending unrequested ballots is a fool's move.