Message from @busillis

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2020-12-06 21:44:45 UTC  

People are saying they are constantly muddying and then testing the waters for support of an actual military-backed coup.

2020-12-06 21:44:49 UTC  

@William Dinan Considering you're talking about state-specific laws, I'm not so sure.

2020-12-06 21:46:11 UTC  

had to go look it up. Presidents legal team is challenging 700k votes in PA that were counted while poll watchers weren't permitted to watch. So, the mail in vote issue was different.

2020-12-06 21:46:14 UTC  

Not denying certification but if they throw votes out due to it being unconstitutional, they could remand it back to count the legal votes which could change the outcome of certifying the winner.

2020-12-06 21:47:02 UTC  

I would assume so... there may be some via the USPS even. I think it matters the type of postage as to the level of tracking. That is why, I think, some states opted to pre-pay the postage on their envelopes. They don't get the postmark on some of those prepaid rates, so some states require the voter to supply postage. That's an over-simplification from what I recall off the top of my head.

2020-12-06 21:47:11 UTC  

@Steeler26 I don't see the unconstitutional argument for a lot of these cases. 77 is different because of how it changed.

2020-12-06 21:47:25 UTC  

Which was legislation from the bench.

2020-12-06 21:47:37 UTC  

@Maw State Courts yes. Federal Court's can uphold The US Constitution and Federal Laws. The US Constitution establishes the Authority to the State Legislature and the US Congress respectively.

2020-12-06 21:48:28 UTC  

77 is definitely different for sure. Will be interesting if SCOTUS grants review of a state constitution arguably tied to the federal constitution.

2020-12-06 21:48:55 UTC  

It's a breach of the branches of power, it's definitely something unconstitutional.

2020-12-06 21:49:42 UTC  

@Maw. Seperation of Powers.

2020-12-06 21:49:54 UTC  

Yes, this is what I meant.

2020-12-06 21:50:12 UTC  

It is breaching the branch and reaching into another branch.

2020-12-06 21:50:14 UTC  

Will they prosecute the voters or is their votes being vetoed by the government enough punishment?

2020-12-06 21:51:05 UTC  

Attempted election tampering.

2020-12-06 21:51:08 UTC  

I don't know if the SCOTUS could offer that kind of relief.

2020-12-06 21:51:18 UTC  

I imagine they'd only say you have to change your law.

2020-12-06 21:51:23 UTC  

This is the filing that is on the docket for 12/8 - It outlines the case starting on Page 2 - Introduction:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20A98/162573/20201203162739451_Final_Emergency%20Application%20for%20Writ%20of%20Injunction.pdf

2020-12-06 21:51:54 UTC  

How does the health emergency play into this? Do the states not have power to do out of the ordinary things?

2020-12-06 21:52:19 UTC  

They do, as long as they have a public health emergency declared.

2020-12-06 21:52:31 UTC  

Or state of emergency.

2020-12-06 21:52:40 UTC  

States are the boss of states.

2020-12-06 21:52:57 UTC  

Unless you are messing with a federal law

2020-12-06 21:52:57 UTC  

@Steeler26, you just advanced to level 3!

2020-12-06 21:53:06 UTC  

Yeah, unless you're being unconstitutional.

2020-12-06 21:53:14 UTC  

Yup

2020-12-06 21:53:15 UTC  

Which Act 77 is.

2020-12-06 21:53:19 UTC  

@Zuluzeit a Voter may submit a Ballot that is in violation of the Law. That does not necessarily mean they have Criminal Liability.... Ie. Not signing their Absentee Ballot. Not a Crime, However still an Illegal Ballot.

2020-12-06 21:53:25 UTC  

Or what changes were inflicted on 77.

2020-12-06 21:53:36 UTC  

But if someone wanted to break chain of custody, could they do it without someone knowing for certain? Again not to implicate it happened on a massive scale.

2020-12-06 21:54:07 UTC  

What about states where marijuana legal

2020-12-06 21:54:14 UTC  

They're not following federal law

2020-12-06 21:54:15 UTC  

Just playin devil's advocate here

2020-12-06 21:55:00 UTC  

My opinion, it is against federal law when crossing state lines. Feds just won’t jump in on it.

2020-12-06 21:55:09 UTC  

At the marijuana example the federal government cut off banking but what can they do?

2020-12-06 21:55:20 UTC  

Right. It's referencing the 14th amendment where you find the equal protections clause

2020-12-06 21:55:21 UTC  

Does federal law even define marijuana possession's legality?

2020-12-06 21:55:34 UTC  

@busillis States do not have the authority to enforce Federal Law.

2020-12-06 21:55:34 UTC  

@William Dinan, you just advanced to level 11!