Message from @AdvanceManExtraordinaire
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> Where in the constitution is the POTUS granted the power to personally oversee state elections?
@AdvanceManExtraordinaire Uh, except he did do exactly what I described.
If saying Im the president elect based on factual vote counts given by the states counting the ballots in an election is a "coup" then wtf is declaring yourself king on election night and saying to ignore the votes and stop the counting of votes and calling dibs on states? Wtf is Trump interfering with state congress members and certification boards and intimidating them into stealing the election for him? The candidates for an election have no role in the certification process or legislations choosing electors.
Trump created an agency to handle elections?
There's nothing to be proud about having Joe Biden or Trump elected.
Or the rest of these clowns that are in government.
They're all horrible people
> Trump created an agency to handle elections?
@AdvanceManExtraordinaire Correct. CISA.
Would you have a problem is Kamala and Biden called up state legislatures and had them just give electors to them in states Trump won? Or tell them just dont certify rural counties they seem sus.
CISA didn’t handle elections... the states did.
I don’t think Trump has the power over states to do anything to stop election fraud.
@AdvanceManExtraordinaire and then he fired the guy he appointed when he reported the election was secure.
If no cases to proven factual fraud is the bare minimum required to seize an election seems like Biden has enough reason to suspect Trump cheated explaining why the polls didnt match with actual results.
Anyone not doing their job deserve to be fired
This is my understanding in regards to Nevada, one person election watcher group was able to audit a hundred ballots that were adjudicated out of that hundred two were flipped for Trump.
Yea that was Arizona
> Anyone not doing their job deserve to be fired
@Repeat He got fired precisely because he did his job. No fraud.
We don't have any information firsthand we go off of what these other partisans say we don't actually have any facts, and according to@Discopainter I don't even have the one straight that are available.
This is not proven yet
His did we go from a survey of citizens showing 15% more wanted Biden than Trump to Biden barely winning the state? Trump cheated just not enough to win the whole thing.
> This is not proven yet
@Repeat Just because you're still running around the track doesn't mean the race is still going.
@Dreadnaught yes!!!
> Oh you take the word of a government agency. Got it.
@AdvanceManExtraordinaire lol whose should I take?
The race is still going, point?
@Dreadnaught except for the ridicolous "deep state". Call it "companies" in stead.
Not any one person. You have to listen to everyone involved and look at the facts objectively. Life isn’t as simple as “listen to the guy in the federal agency”. Apply that principle to any given tyrannical government and see what would’ve happened.
@Doc do you think that large multinational corporations have more sway over politicians than ordinary people?
Not just multinationals
Listening to the guy in the federal agency is the comforting, not truthful, approach.
> Not any one person. You have to listen to everyone involved and look at the facts objectively. Life isn’t as simple as “listen to the guy in the federal agency”. Apply that principle to any given tyrannical government and see what would’ve happened.
@AdvanceManExtraordinaire Yes, I should have thought of that. And here I was going off of that one thing.
That was not the point I was making (and I would have thought you would know better by now - we've had plenty of discussions about the military and serving). Where did I advocate Communism? I did not. I was simply pointing out the somewhat ironic fact that it requires a Socialist structure in our military to protect our Capitalist society.
And... nobody has been paid to rewrite our constitution. That is fear mongering put out by those who think that by scaring people into discounting the views of their opposition, they can manipulate their constituents in order to retain power. People who tell you that Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or AOC are really "communists paid by China to rewrite our Constitution" are counting on people to be driven by unsubstantiated fears when making their decisions on who to vote for. Both sides do this - I'm just surprised at how many people buy into the BS. America is stronger than that and Americans should be smarter than that.
Whenever any politician says that "fear of the other" should be the reason to vote for them... it should be a red flag. It's mind-boggling that McCarthy's tactics can still work on an educated electorate. It was BS then and it is BS now. And anyone that says otherwise is LYING.
@busillis I think that is comparing the gulf stream to a piss in a fjord.
A federal agency is more trustworthy than Trump saying only listen to me everyone else is lying and proceeding to fire anyone that tells the truth.
On November 12, 2020, CISA issued a press release asserting, "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."[
I'm not following you.
His own administration's agency. Wth is wrong with these people?
Ok
> On November 12, 2020, CISA issued a press release asserting, "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."[
@MatiLuc That Trump appointee is part of the deep state though. We can tell because we don't like what he said.
With the exit polls not matching election results theres far more evidence so far Trump cheated not Biden. It's a reliable indicator of a fascist in power stealing an election