Truthiness and trumpery

Boockvar was asked to segregate ballots and did not. If they did, it should be easy for them to prove. But proving a negative is nigh unto impossible so it's fair to ask for the proof to be on the claim that ballots were segregated.

@Starscraper, you just advanced to level 7!

I agree. The the claim of Texas is about equality of the states -respectively the people, second they asked if any circumstances such as Covid can justify illegal and unconstitutional measures - that way they point out the case of Covid and religion gathering and they are not trying to prove fraud in any way because that will throw out their case entirely. So this is how I read this claim and I must clarify to all of you that I am not American, I am from Europe but I did graduated a comparative legal program and specialized in this field - my clients were mainly governmental institutions, and bilateral agreements within EU and outside - with US, China, Japan and so on. I am not practicing anymore I am just a kiwi now, writing children's books. So I am very neutral about this. So here my reading of the claim: 1. First one is a more or less political statement - re we United states with equal rights according to the Constitution or not - I believe the answer will be yes; 2. Does US Constitution or laws gives the local authorities rights during pandemic to adopt illegal and unconstitutional norms - they did answer this few weeks ago but need to confirm the answer; 3. If you agreed with us about point 1 and 2 why we (the rest of the states) must suffer the consequences of illegal acts - e.g cure this by saying no electoral votes for those states now and in future. It is actually that simple, no criminal intentions, no ballots manipulations or fraud during the elections. They are asking about the acts adopted before the election masked as pandemic measures.

I think you got proving a negative backwards 😂

Lol what?

Proving a negative would be trying to prove that ballots weren't segregated.

If you segregated ballots you can easily prove it by saying, "look, here is our segregated ballots and records of it".

Trying to prove that something never happened is... that's the definition of a negative proof.

Ok, so we don't know they complied with the order.

They get the ballots and set them on the side. The GOP says no no no we have witnesses you took hundreds of thousands and mixed them up. The positive is showing they were mixed up. The negative is proving they mixed up zero ballots.

but...these go to 11

You don't get to just stick a "not" on the end and pretend the other person has the burden of proof.

Burden of proof is rooted in objective physical reality.

If you segregated ballots there will be a record of it and a paper trail. So provide it.

You cannot realistically expect someone to prove that that paper trail doesn't exist. What are they supposed to do? Sift through all the paperwork in Pennsylvania?

Berden of pruf

PA would have to log the receipt of those ballots into their system - I am not sure what the exact process is or how long it takes to get them into their system. I would imagine the envelopes have barcodes and they are checked in by machine. It would be very easy to see how many ballots were received by the system after - say 8AM on 11/4 - assuming that gave enough time for the ballots received by 8PM to be received and recorded into the system. Anything brought into the system after that point, would be suspect. If a decent programmer designed that system, each record would have created date and a last updated date. It would be pretty easy to identify records that were created on or after 11/4, but made updated manually to appear as if they were received before 8PM on 11/3.

I think you have to take at face value that they did unless there is proof that they did not.

Currently the evidence would suggest they got x ballots at a time period and x ballots were set aside. You cant just make up mystery ballots 😅

We're comparing two assertions by people with vested opposing interests. No, I don't take either assertion at face value.

I'd say that poll book was off by 100000

So... yeah, it would be easy to prove for them, so they should prove it, because at the moment, ~~Georgia~~ [Texas] is claiming they didn't.

Do you even know how many registered voters are in detroit? Zero 😂

Georgia?

Texas, derp

What I'm saying is that they probably have a system logs the receipt of those ballots. They produced a report, it says 10k. That's what the system shows. If someone were to have proof of something other than that, they can bring it forward. You can't just make any assertion without proof and expect it to be taken as fact.

For example, PA could countersue TX and assert that they rejected 10 times more Dem mail in ballots than Republican. TX could say that is not true - here's a report from my system that says otherwise. In order for PA to get an injunction to gain access to the TX system to allow them to see if TX is being truthful or not, they would have to provide evidence that shows that their assertion has merit and warrants access to that data/system. It is not incumbent on TX to prove it to PA because PA may not believe them.

It would be hilarious if all the states sue Texas and all the other red states for voter suppression

That's what I've been saying... TX went to extraordinary efforts to make it harder to vote in Dem-leaning areas.

Red states would lose because it would be pretty easy to prove they limited ballot boxes etc

I'd rather countersue to make Texas use dominion machines for equal voting rights.

This new precedent of getting rid of states rights may work out in the “cities” and more populous areas favor

Revote Texas on dominion or we cant trust them

You're just being intentionally inflammatory at this point.

Of course just like the republican senate they will immediately go back on their just stated values and reasons and throw a fit

Trump has been intentionally inflammatory since election night. That's what all this is about.

The affiant shall sign in the ink of architeuthis sanctipauli, indissolvable in the Cthulhu book of eternity.

Trump is why there is a huge divide right now in the county, spreading his false fraud narrative

He went on national tv overnight to say screw states screw counting votes I declare myself king.

Conflating the media doesnt call elections we dont know yet and the media doesnt call elections I do personally was just 🙄

I get your point... I do want to say that TX seemed to do a good job in evaluating Voting Systems and choosing one that best fit their needs. They put out an RFP/RFQ with specific system requirements and DVS tried several times to show they met most of the requirements. Their system did not meet the design specs that TX wanted, but they seemed to give them a fair shot at the contract. They did not come to the conclusion that DVS was inherently insecure, though. Which is an unfair assertion made by Powell and friends.

I'm fine with Dominon counting if a hash tree of the votes get's timestamped on a blockchain.

@Dedkraken I appreciate your enthusiasm and passion, but you're just going to make them feel more strongly that their position is correct if we allow it to digress. We see how the conversation digresses when groups start moving into partisanship on this channel. I like talking with folks on both sides. I think it is healthy to have substantive discussions.

If the first 55 lawsuits didnt work this record is broken 😅

We should know in a few hours... maybe. It will be interesting to see how this goes, but this should be it. They won't have the votes in the House to uphold any objections to electors on Jan 6th and I am not certain that all Reps in the Senate would vote to uphold an objection. So, it's pretty much down to this case.

@Dedkraken refuses to release the tension. It's harmful to the cause