Message from @meglide
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Same issue as above... Proof of voter suppression in the past was not grounds for invalidating the current election and we still manage to hold elections today.
Although I really do struggle to see how they will be able to stop fraud in the future. Like what measures can you take.
@Darkangael yes historically there is always been slavery within their own culture ... in all parts of the world.. but not like we seen invading and making other cultures slaves.. because they are more empowered. ..
Would they overrule a future election under the same conditions because they should’ve fixed signature verification after 2020?
has there ever been a case of a voting cartel or voting conspiracy in the US?. In the UK we did have a case in 2008 where 6 members of the local government were found guilty of bribery and vote forging. This was following liberalisation of our postal voting rules.
I think we need to start looking at newer technologies that are available to us... Like 2-factor authentication - and possibly being able to review our (and only our) vote online to make sure it was tabulated correctly. (While making sure that there is no way for someone reviewing our ballot to know who cast it. I believe there is a way to make that happen and I think it solves a lot of potential concerns about the integrity of the system. There are others, but you get the idea. We can probably come up with better ways to leverage technology to this end.
@TaLoN132 Voter suppression is a bit of a different beast imo than the sheer degree of issues I have seen so far during this election. I am not certain what remedy would be possible.
Not exactly... Violation of any SCOTUS order would give standing to anyone to sue ahead of time, if accommodations have not been made.
That might work but votes should always be 1 to 1 not fractional like some of what we have seen.
where have we actually seen fractional voting as opposed to the mere allegation of fractional voting?
In an affidavit 'under penalty of perjury'. Lol
It is different... there have historically been many orders of magnitude greater degree of proof and scale with regard to voter suppression. To date, none of the allegations of voter fraud in this election have withstood scrutiny - and there has been a ton of scrutiny. We are heavy on allegation - proof is virtually non-existent. That could change, but so far... almost nothing.
But so many claims. So, so many.
Affidavits are considered evidence when under penalty of perjury.
"weighted race" is part of the manual
I think data analytics are underrated. Why don't we listen to people who actually understand software and data, which would therefore be evidence. Isn't everything traceable through the internet, through computers. Isn't there evidence of everything on earth on the internet!?
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Fractional vote would have been exposed in recounts and risk limiting audits. They did not happen in this election.
@TaLoN132 explain why a voting machine would have a weighted race feature ?
Like Phil just mentioned weighted races are in the manual, that in my opinion is at least circumstantial evidence.
@meglide you would need to see the source code of the machine to say for sure. i dont expect them to display fractions on the machine
why wouldn't it? voting machines would be used for lots of different things, supposed you wanted share holders to vote their shares and some shares are weighted differently than others?
Where's the AI that will end all human error in elections
Technology!
so what
@Phil and @Darkangael my car has the ability to exceed the speed limit ... is that proof that I've done so?
Prove that you didn't, bro. That's the test.
Lol
Jk
No, only proof that you could have.
no more innocent until proven guilty
i think that's a bunch of melarky anyway
> no more innocent until proven guilty
@nainani Totally. We should jettison that superfluous principle.
the point is you cant prove you didnt and i cant prove you did. normally you would have to assume your innocence. but it is not the only circumstantial element.
Having or Proving the Capabilities may be a Discovery Issue to examine the machines?
Civil cases are not held to criminal standards of proof, only to a preponderance of the evidence.
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