Message from @Phil

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2020-12-11 21:22:01 UTC  

if it isn't accurate

2020-12-11 21:22:03 UTC  

> I'd like a way to see who i voted for after I voted
@nainani Write it down if you can't remember, silly.

2020-12-11 21:22:09 UTC  

I mean how it is being counted

2020-12-11 21:22:39 UTC  

Lol ok. They should have receipts.

2020-12-11 21:24:33 UTC  

They don't count it upon receiving my ballot, so how do I know it went in, wasn't thrown away, a receipt would not show this.

2020-12-11 21:27:20 UTC  

I did vote a day before election, I guess I am thinking of a system that you could sign in to and check that your vote was counted and how it was counted. Both of my grandfathers were registered to vote this year and have been deceased for over 5 years. Signing into registration websites does not show who you voted for. I'd like to know besides the fact that I am registered to vote, that my vote was counted, congruently that my grandpa's did not have a vote using their names

2020-12-11 21:29:54 UTC  

If we could all see that our votes were counted, wouldn't election integrity be hard to dispute?

2020-12-11 21:31:50 UTC  

Thank you for the feedback. Here are my thoughts:

Well... It's not like Trump went looking for witnesses in other locations, they specifically targeted those areas - if you look at the affidavits, they are all given well after the date the race was called for Biden. None are dated the election night.

Comparisons to Obama vote counts are irrelevant. The stakes were higher for those on the left. They became complacent in 2016 and many did not vote, because they were certain Clinton would win in a landslide. Too many factors can account for the vote total differences.

When you say "by all accounts" that usually implies unanimity. Even so, that assertion is arguably false. With the mandate for paper ballots and risk limiting audits, this election has had more scrutiny than any election in history and would have regardless of allegations of fraud. Those things were baked into the process.

Mail-in ballots are not considered to be susceptible to wide-spread fraud. People forget that (absent inside bad actors that could inject fake data/ballots into the system (which would be no more or less secure than in-person voting in that case) mail-in voting requires access to the mailbox that the ballot is sent to. In CA, ballots are sent to the registered voters address of record. But even if someone created a fake registration, rented a mailbox/apt (which they have to provide ID for), and requested a mail-in ballot to that address - they are still providing a paper trail that any decent investigator could use to find them and arrest them for committing 3 felonies (identity theft, mail fraud and voter fraud) - per infraction. There is a diminishing risk/reward calculation that even the densest criminal could figure out.

2020-12-11 21:31:54 UTC  

ehh it wouldnt solve everything

2020-12-11 21:35:48 UTC  

I mean if you vote on a paper ballot and you think the local citizens working there intentionally threw your vote away when they are passionate about the election system then theres no such thing as a safe vote 🤷

2020-12-11 21:36:38 UTC  

Every system must attribute some level of trust to administrators of the system

2020-12-11 21:36:54 UTC  

We've been talking about a possible mechanism for allowing a voter to check that their ballot tabulated as cast - while protecting their anonymity. Basically, you can be given a ballot ID and request from home to see that it was tabulated and how. Someone with access to the vote data would not be able to associate that ballot with you, though, which is important.

2020-12-11 21:38:54 UTC  

that's right get this vaccine out there now

2020-12-11 21:39:28 UTC  

The main reason that is not in place is actually to reduce Voter/Election Fraud. Buying Votes. A receipt or Vote verification may be used for illegal purposes.

2020-12-11 21:39:42 UTC  

2.) There were people crying about election issues all through out the EV period and election day. Poll watchers and the sort are instructed to call a handful of different numbers in the event something shady is observed. What happens after that is not entirely clear in terms of training and the like. It's not surprising to me, then, that nothing really got in front of a judge/senate panel/whatever until solicitation of evidence on a public scale took place, with a clear path to reach either the Trump team, Powell, or Wood.

3.) Fraud would be the main factor, IMO.

4.) If this election had more scrutiny than ever before, doesn't it stand to reason that more issues would have been discovered?

5.) I think you overestimate the simplicity with which someone can register to vote in some of these areas. One of the points I alluded to you missing was that in Wayne County, the addresses most frequently listed on voter registrations were things like homeless shelters, psychiatric wards, PO boxes, and ballot drop off locations themselves.

2020-12-11 21:43:07 UTC  

@TaLoN132 Of course it would make no logical sense to look for witnesses in places he already believed he had won. You could argue that a lot of the affidavits are related to confusion over the (new) processes (especially given the unprecedented number of mail-in ballots and switch to using machines, GA only had them for example since 2019) but again i don't think it requires a widespread conspiracy. There are several reasons not to come forward, as evidenced by the threats/doxing at the certification board. I am not sure you can discount the witnesses because they didn't inform them on the night or the day after, if you take that position you would have to discount a lot of witnesses in other cases. think there is a lot of information to support the ideas of mail-in ballots the most susceptible to fraud, widespread or not. most of the documented cases of voter fraud in the UK for example are using postal votes as the means.

2020-12-11 21:43:43 UTC  

I understand... But with mail-in ballots that's pretty much moot, anyways.

2020-12-11 21:45:06 UTC  

Agree. That is why Mail in Ballots are subject to Fraud. Ie Buying Votes

2020-12-11 21:45:38 UTC  

What's up with Trump posting nonstop about Wisdom and Courage? Some kind of dog whistle to awful people 😂

2020-12-11 21:46:05 UTC  

Voting in person, the vote goes directly into the system. Voting by mail has to go through post box, then through postal system, then opened , then counted. There is simply more places for it to occur.

2020-12-11 21:46:33 UTC  

Strangely, nobody is making that claim.

2020-12-11 21:47:05 UTC  

there was the NV group, but i think it was pretty small scale

2020-12-11 21:47:34 UTC  

Ballot Harvesting is basically the same claim.

2020-12-11 21:48:07 UTC  

Q being the Patriot that he is is doing all to try to save the Biden presidency and ensure the will of the people is not subverted.

long live the Q flipper.

2020-12-11 21:49:24 UTC  

The harvesting of ballots is legal.

2020-12-11 21:49:48 UTC  

Nobody has an incentive to change the voting system once they are elected, because of the very fact it led to their victory

2020-12-11 21:49:55 UTC  

Not Everywhere.

2020-12-11 21:50:18 UTC  

Has anyone figured out what melissa Tate is going on about 170k voters?

2020-12-11 21:51:05 UTC  

Q is LHFAO as he doesn't go by Q to anyone or anywhere other than disinformation...

2020-12-11 21:51:06 UTC  

@txgho, you just advanced to level 4!

2020-12-11 21:51:07 UTC  

What state is that?

2020-12-11 21:51:23 UTC  

@meglide let me know your side affects. Thanks

2020-12-11 21:52:45 UTC  

Kraken II electric boogaloo ???

2020-12-11 21:53:00 UTC  

Was that to me?

2020-12-11 21:53:29 UTC  

If the shoe fits?

2020-12-11 21:53:56 UTC  

Does it?

2020-12-11 21:54:29 UTC  

Get it right! Glass slipper.