This is inevitable

as in knock the door down?

Stimulus or not

No it's not inevitable.

Total healthcare expenses have surpassed war expenses since 2015 or 2016. Well, specifically the budget for all healthcare programs. Idk how "fast and loose" the government has been over the past several decades, but I do know the past 10 years has been horrible, except for the booming economy, peace deals, and troop withdrawal of the past 2 trump years. We really wouldn't have to be stingy with the budget if Federal Government wasn't left unchecked and ignorantly supported by voters (myslef included when I first voted fro Obama).

@meglide yes. You get to hear at least one knock.

I don't understand this idea of "Well it's inevitable, let's just bankrupt ourselves!"

@DeathRhodes666 yeah that’s the issue with not having m4a. You start with a population of people that get regular check ups and catch issues early and are mindful of their health most of these health costs later on get much much cheaper. No 1 cause of death is heart disease. Which is preventable

just trading short-term gain for long-term pain ... much like the "lockdowns" themselves

@Maw my point is now is not the time to worry about that. That’s something people can take seriously post pandemic

My dude, we're teetering on the point of a downward spiral to bankruptcy, right now is the perfect time to think about that.\

No Knock vs Quick Knock is the Term used in Research and Enforcement/Judicial Settings in the US.

@meglide a once in a 100 year pandemic should be something we should have been prepared for.

@Maw If you want the logic behind dark projections, Im sure you can think of someone. 😄

That was true 10 years ago and will be true 10 years from now @Maw

... no james, no.

it can pushed out into the future but death is ultimately not preventable ... heart disease and cancer are the two top killers ... my 82 mother's heart is failing her, it's just wearing out, when she dies they'll list it as heart disease

If people just behaved like the Swedes we would be in a better place economically

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@Maw, you just advanced to level 36!

Unfortunately Americans are like children when it come to simple requests

Didn't you hate how Sweden reacted to Covid?

You sure you want to stand by that statement?

@meglide there is a lot to consider with medical ethics and longevity

which you didn't do with your "preventable" statement

@Maw I didn’t hate it completely due to how to Swedes generally adhere to common sense protocols

... but you understand it wouldn't work here.

@meglide I did. Imagine being a heart patient for 4 or 2 years instead of a 10. Push back heart disease as much as possible. Not to mention there I plenty of progress being made in that department

I know because of the American attitude @Maw

We have more conspiracy theorists

and more people. 10 000 dead bodies piled up looks more dramatic than 25

stockholm is the size of a morningtown in colorado

the more people you have lumped together, the bigger the potential for hysteria

Population Density may be a Factor on Disease Transmission?

Medicare For All does not equal lower healthcare program budgets. The ineptitude of government running anything besides war (which I'd argue private industry can do it better) does not decrease medical costs. The most common example (in the US) of government-run healthcare would be the VA. And man does that have a load of issues I wouldn't wish on anyone. So I'm having a very hard time seeing how M4A would lead to a lower healthcare budget.

Inarguably.

The states where people are dying unnecessarily are place like South Dakota where hardly anyone lives

sounds like the state for me

can I rename it Doclandia?

heard land is cheap out there. buy your own chunk and start your own town called Docalndia?

And deaths outside of these states are necessary?