Message from @Doc

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2020-12-03 18:16:12 UTC  

I belive that was mr. iPhone who laughed

2020-12-03 18:16:27 UTC  

Mr. Huber's father laughed because he likely thought it abhorrent that someone would make the claim that Mr. Rosenbaum was a burglar.

2020-12-03 18:16:34 UTC  

in a manner to show "shock" and "distaste"

2020-12-03 18:16:49 UTC  

Yes i think was him .. judge said .. please refer from making noise please

2020-12-03 18:16:55 UTC  

Also, he was not dead.

2020-12-03 18:17:06 UTC  

He died a few hours later.

2020-12-03 18:17:25 UTC  

but already showing signs of a class III hemorrhage.

2020-12-03 18:17:33 UTC  

Shot in the head. ????

2020-12-03 18:17:36 UTC  

So....dying.

2020-12-03 18:17:38 UTC  

Not dead

2020-12-03 18:17:39 UTC  
2020-12-03 18:17:41 UTC  

Graced in the head.

2020-12-03 18:17:52 UTC  

He wasnt talking for sure

2020-12-03 18:17:54 UTC  

He was shot in the liver/inner groin.

2020-12-03 18:17:55 UTC  

The shot that killed him was through the pelivis and a kidney.

2020-12-03 18:18:08 UTC  

oh...liver, perhaps.

2020-12-03 18:18:09 UTC  

He was shot, and he likely had extensive lung damage.

2020-12-03 18:18:48 UTC  

I believe the died from the hemorrhage, judging from his clinical presentation while filmed lying on his back trying to get up.

2020-12-03 18:19:04 UTC  

The autopsy results were available in the criminal complaint.

2020-12-03 18:19:11 UTC  

oh, cool!

2020-12-03 18:19:17 UTC  

can you link them to me?

2020-12-03 18:19:31 UTC  

I just saw the referate. Never the actual report.

2020-12-03 18:19:33 UTC  

It didn't say what the C.O.D was, or which impact I don't recall. I can get you the relevant text @Doc

2020-12-03 18:19:55 UTC  

If you have the report, I would very much like that.

2020-12-03 18:20:24 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772982351520333824/784121880793055302/unknown.png

2020-12-03 18:22:25 UTC  

(Also people do live for extended periods after being shot in the head frequently, @MatiLuc ) Don't believe what you hear on TV all the time.

2020-12-03 18:22:55 UTC  

Though it depends on your definition of live, I suppose.

2020-12-03 18:24:19 UTC  

@MatiLuc Combat medicine rule of the thumb: shot through one hemisphere = red, shot through both = blue/black/red-green

2020-12-03 18:24:48 UTC  

@Maw Id say that is a death from bloodloss.

2020-12-03 18:25:25 UTC  

large arteries in lung, liver, pelvis, and the .223 is known to both tumble and flower (not same as expand) in terminal ballistics.

2020-12-03 18:25:40 UTC  

Not much blood was seen, but I honestly can't say, as your chest is a space which can fill with blood before you even know you're bleeding badly.

2020-12-03 18:26:05 UTC  

the only situation where you bleed outwards, is if the artery cant bleed in.

2020-12-03 18:26:23 UTC  

Kyle was using specialty SD ammunition, it was rapid-fragmentation. Likely special JSP or special JHP.

2020-12-03 18:26:36 UTC  

I once had a man delivered to my care with BP 50/0.

2020-12-03 18:26:49 UTC  

His entire volum of blood was in his abdomen under pressure.

2020-12-03 18:27:26 UTC  

So I don't expect tumbling was an issue.

2020-12-03 18:27:34 UTC  

Rather the rapid expansion was.

2020-12-03 18:27:53 UTC  

well, untill the .223 projectile hits bone, it tumbles.

2020-12-03 18:28:07 UTC  

Again, JSP/JHP ammo.

2020-12-03 18:28:12 UTC  

I know.

2020-12-03 18:28:50 UTC  

They begin expanding and fragmenting around an inch into ballistics gel alone.