Message from @Maw

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2020-12-03 18:17:52 UTC  

He wasnt talking for sure

2020-12-03 18:17:54 UTC  

He was shot in the liver/inner groin.

2020-12-03 18:17:55 UTC  

The shot that killed him was through the pelivis and a kidney.

2020-12-03 18:18:08 UTC  

oh...liver, perhaps.

2020-12-03 18:18:09 UTC  

He was shot, and he likely had extensive lung damage.

2020-12-03 18:18:48 UTC  

I believe the died from the hemorrhage, judging from his clinical presentation while filmed lying on his back trying to get up.

2020-12-03 18:19:04 UTC  

The autopsy results were available in the criminal complaint.

2020-12-03 18:19:11 UTC  

oh, cool!

2020-12-03 18:19:17 UTC  

can you link them to me?

2020-12-03 18:19:31 UTC  

I just saw the referate. Never the actual report.

2020-12-03 18:19:33 UTC  

It didn't say what the C.O.D was, or which impact I don't recall. I can get you the relevant text @Doc

2020-12-03 18:19:55 UTC  

If you have the report, I would very much like that.

2020-12-03 18:20:24 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772982351520333824/784121880793055302/unknown.png

2020-12-03 18:22:25 UTC  

(Also people do live for extended periods after being shot in the head frequently, @MatiLuc ) Don't believe what you hear on TV all the time.

2020-12-03 18:22:55 UTC  

Though it depends on your definition of live, I suppose.

2020-12-03 18:24:19 UTC  

@MatiLuc Combat medicine rule of the thumb: shot through one hemisphere = red, shot through both = blue/black/red-green

2020-12-03 18:24:48 UTC  

@Maw Id say that is a death from bloodloss.

2020-12-03 18:25:25 UTC  

large arteries in lung, liver, pelvis, and the .223 is known to both tumble and flower (not same as expand) in terminal ballistics.

2020-12-03 18:25:40 UTC  

Not much blood was seen, but I honestly can't say, as your chest is a space which can fill with blood before you even know you're bleeding badly.

2020-12-03 18:26:05 UTC  

the only situation where you bleed outwards, is if the artery cant bleed in.

2020-12-03 18:26:23 UTC  

Kyle was using specialty SD ammunition, it was rapid-fragmentation. Likely special JSP or special JHP.

2020-12-03 18:26:36 UTC  

I once had a man delivered to my care with BP 50/0.

2020-12-03 18:26:49 UTC  

His entire volum of blood was in his abdomen under pressure.

2020-12-03 18:27:26 UTC  

So I don't expect tumbling was an issue.

2020-12-03 18:27:34 UTC  

Rather the rapid expansion was.

2020-12-03 18:27:53 UTC  

well, untill the .223 projectile hits bone, it tumbles.

2020-12-03 18:28:07 UTC  

Again, JSP/JHP ammo.

2020-12-03 18:28:12 UTC  

I know.

2020-12-03 18:28:50 UTC  

They begin expanding and fragmenting around an inch into ballistics gel alone.

2020-12-03 18:29:03 UTC  

which is not what your lungs are made of.

2020-12-03 18:29:38 UTC  

But you might be right. I havent seen civilian .223 cases.

2020-12-03 18:29:49 UTC  

I think this is a conversation best for private, as it's rather morbid.

2020-12-03 18:30:23 UTC  

If so, i apologize. It is forensic medicine/EM to me. A profession.

2020-12-03 18:30:56 UTC  

It's quite alright! I just don't think people would want to stumble into these sorts of conversations, I imagine many people get physically ill thinking about this stuff in detail.

2020-12-03 18:31:48 UTC  

Thanks! I have no idea where that line goes.

2020-12-03 18:34:52 UTC  

Kyle missed d head.. probably was making sure he die

2020-12-03 18:35:54 UTC  

Normally, in that situation, you are not aware of when you hit or not. There is no text above the targets head.

2020-12-03 18:36:41 UTC  

(but, Maybe we should observe Maws guidance, here, sir.)

2020-12-03 18:39:22 UTC  

There was alot of blood.. by his stomach and by back of his head the exhibit pictures they painted over d blood.

2020-12-03 18:53:52 UTC  

What? No they didn't.

2020-12-03 18:54:46 UTC  

Also doc is correct, have you shot a gun before? It's not easy to tell where you're hitting.