At some point you need to figure out that anything white-centric is going to be deemed excessive by someone and just own it.

Think about the "It's OK to be white" slogan

oh ok, fair enough @John O -

It does not get any less excessive than that.

There's a difference between being an upstanding representative of your ideals, and being edgy to piss people off

And I think TRS is fine for anonnstuff not tied to IE. But I accept if IE doesn't want any ties to TRS in IE-obvious cyberstrike, circumstantial or otherwise, sure I will abide by that.

We need to be above reproach.

I’d be very wary of the “they’ll just call us X anyway” mindset, @Nick_Knight .

2018: The public optics wars
2019: The private optics wars

I am not advocating for "screw the optics"

“Just own it?”

Or am I reading too much into that?

Just for getting into the mindset that EVERYTHING is a hate symbol for some people once it becomes a visible threat. Optics matter.

It's all so tiresome. Forget I said anything about memes. I will hand out old Pat Buchanan books. Should work. After all it did in 1992

I think I was not as clear as I wanted to.

I think as long as there’s no public overlap between IE and TRS, there’s nothing wrong with people liking both on their own

Let me give you an example, Alexander

I mean IE did in the last 24 hours admit a new member who was a regular guest on Mark Collett's show. (who I like but any criteria to scorn Mike & Sven's past intemperence goes triple for Mark) So the anti-TRS pearl clutching is funny

Yeah, I have no problem with people consuming TRS media, however, using their terms in any kind of public forum, online or otherwise, is self destructive

my parents would use my full name when I did something bad 😳

not that this is my name lol

Years ago, during my "I can never be a racist Republican" phase, I discussed affirmative action with my then g/f. I argued that in today's day an age it was not a fair proposition.

So I got called racist.

You can only spend so much time explaining, and if "they" have you giving explanations at every single turn, they've won the argument.

I don't think anyone here is "anti-TRS pearl clutching." We just don't want to act/speak like we are trying to become TRS hosts.

@Nick_Knight I understand what you’re saying. As far as I’m concerned, “optics” matter when talking about our potential audience, not our enemies

LOL agreed

agreed with both of you.

but for example, I’d guess that there are plenty of white people who could be motivated to be pro-white, but would still find TDS distasteful

But also recognize that different people have different styles of communicating.

I think in past conversations I have seen anti-TRS rhetoric posted here, but currently not so much.

FTN and, to name another I listen to, Third Rail, have their "OMFG why go THERE, THAT way," but you can't deny they are effective communicators.

@Nemets hi friend

my dad is a great example. Very smart guy, disillusioned liberal, has all but said he supports IE. But he still has this fear that there’s a secret [ideology redacted] undercurrent among people like us

evening Nemets

I have always been vocally against TRS, not as a media company, but as an advocacy group

@Nemets Добрый вечер, пацан!

But opticswise, @rising_serpent or @cursedsalad from Twitter are much better at making arguments while using comfortable language.

@John O - a delicate distinction that unfortunately many cannot seem to understand

whoa whoa Nemets is not a пацан

he’s a респектабельный молодой человек like all of us

Well John seemed a bit scandalized. But yes I am not advocating IE change at all.

I just think echoes isn't a dead meme. Difference of opinion.

TRS pool parties have a good use. Where do people who don't make the cut for IE go to make sure they don't become too isolated? Jayoh is really making a good effort at helping members improve. That is valuable