I'd rather turn the GOP into Trumpism or, better TUCKERISM, than destroy it

My dad does this really dumb thing when he argues with me where he claims I said something that I never said. I'm not sure why he does it, like, it would more sense if he was doing it behind my back, but he does it right to my face.

One of the things he constantly says is "You say you want to be conservative, but..."

And I'm like, "uh... I pretty clearly specified that that's *not* what I want to be"

can someone explain to me the logic behind this?

I think we are working with different definitions of what we mean by conservatism vs the GOP party line vs paleocon etc etc. I suppose it's all a bit confused these days.

I honestly don't get it

Just a strawman dude

Definitions are purposely subverted for a reason.

Define "define"

A really funny one was when I was younger, at an age when I never would have called myself a nationalist, he was like "you say you're a nationalist, but..."

I was really confused because I literally never would have said that back then

If you can muddle the victory conditions of an argument enough to where no one will cede people just “stop arguing” because they get bored

"you can't be a TRUE conservative/liberal if you don't hold these two contradictory positions, unflinchingly and to the death"

“Ok”

https://twitter.com/TPointUK/status/1091792927523827712

Sorry if I'm just posting too much of this at this point but it's funny.

BASED

This is another one he did, which I actually thought was pretty clever. He was arguing with me about something and he was like "you say family is important, but... " My natural instinct was to say "I didn't say that". Not that I was arguing that it's *un*important, it's just that... I didn't say that. This gave him an excuse to freak out and be like "so you're saying it's not important?!?!?!"

tpuk is struggling to find white people to quote I guess

His argument tactics are so Talmudic lmao

@Jacob Collectivism and socialism aren't bad, as long as it's not Marxism

NeoCons, Dubya, and Israel-Firsters not only soured me on the right wing for fifteen years it also contributed to my early/mid 2000s fedora atheist phase.

@ophiuchus Shouldn't a strawman actually be kind of hard to detect, though? He literally makes up quotes by me and tells me that I said them. What exactly does that accomplish when I can just say I didn't say that?

A strawman is just framing the argument as something it isn’t, that thing it isn’t being easier to topple

ya but I mean strawmen should be convincing

Eh

It’s like

Now I realize that I didn't hate God, or my nation. I hated people using both for their own interests against our own.

A logical integral transform

my dad would actually make a really good shitposter

I should make him a Twitter account and follow a bunch of irony bros

Your dad should go on chapo

he should debate Richard Spencer

"Mr Spencer, you say you're a conservative, but..."

Jacob's dad debates RS on Chapo

You say that the demographics will doom the GOP, but can you explain this BASED black guy?

honestly though I'm kinda glad I had the opportunity to debate my dad growing up

makes it much easier to stay calm

he just *constantly* straw mans and flings ad hominems so most leftists actually seem pretty chill in comparison

"Jacob, you say you're a dreamer, but you're not the only one"

“Son, you say you’re Jacob,”

I don't why people use that graph to say that Republics are further left on economics

doesn't it look that way because of the way the margins are drawn?

you could just as easily put a bunch of blank space on the left and arbitrarily draw the center further left