Based legal 2nd generation dual citizen immigrant

I’m not meaningfully French, but did learn French when I lived in Montreal as a kid with my aunt. My great-grandfather was an oppressive Anglo banker in Quebec.

Europe luckily has extremely similar people and cultures, which sets us apart from literally the rest of the Planet

To be honest I consider it in my best interests to just tell the truth. My friends and I went through a lot of problems growing up like this.

Sure. I like the generic identity for a few countries as a European outpost

If you aren't learning German to Yödel at your local hofbrau, what are you even doing?

But yes if a European identity has any chance it'll be here. Because identity is both internally and externally derived. If you think of yourself as Polish and I think of myself as German but our political adversaries see us as "white" well then hey brother, welcome to the tribe

The people that think a) America has no culture or b) American culture and European culture are super different have clearly never been to a non-western country

I wonder what percent of IE is second gen. Probably very disproportionate compared to the broader white population

I’m gonna drop you in the middle of China, come back and tell me how different the culture of the US and the UK are.

@NateDahl76 second Gen here actually

I’d prefer that the culture between European countries be distinct

I very much believe in regionalism

Big fan

Listen to this line: “‘You’re going to kill people?’ ‘Not people. White people.’”

Same @The Eternal Anglo and when it came up in another chat a good few people said they were as well

Europe of a hundred flags

From a book assigned to us

Pan European nationalism would never (and currently isn't) working in the EU because everyone has their own distinct culture with very, very deep roots. Danes probably don't see themselves as white, they just see Danes.

@NateDahl76 It's an eye opener to realise how similiar American culture is to say, the U.K or Germany. Feels like home tbh just more gas stations here

Until ofc, they become minorities in their own country and then they'll define themselves as white Brits/French/Danes pretty fast

I don't believe in pan anything. I care about and support other white groups, but I want the US to maintain its Anglo heritage which made it what it is.

I agree Jacob

10th plus generation Anglo American here

I heard someone utter the most cheesy, corn ball phrase lately...but at the same time it incapsulates the faustian sprint and the white race perfectly. It's "if you can dream it you can do it"

I'm the based Slav in an IE hat that gives you permission to feel proud of your Anglo heritage

I don't know what Europe should do when it comes to their identity and sovereignty, its not as easy as America. There's a divide between Catalonians and Spaniards, Belgians and Flemmish peoples, where do you draw the line between protecting your identity and history and splitting hairs?

What even is Danish like lmao that's a pastry 😂

Danes btfo

You don't have to draw the line anywhere. You network with white advocates no matter what they are, but you still keep your regional culture.

Part of being a white identitarian is respecting the sovereignty of other white groups.

The Danes don’t see themselves as white because, until very recently, they didn’t really deal at all with non whites. There’s an axiom in generic academia hell that “whiteness did not exist before colonialism,” which is actually pretty much true. I’m sure the French and Germans saw each other as completely different. That relative distance changed when completely different people were thrown in. When you’re comparing two points that are relatively close, they seem comparatively distant. When you’re comparing the letters A, C, and Z, they don’t seem far apart at all anymore.

Yeah @ophiuchus gets it, 100%

And yeah for that logic I don’t see “humanity” really being seen as a group unless we’re interacting with other intelligent life. I was even pilled on this as a liberal, but I thought about it more in terms of war and world peace

What constitutes a group depends on what it is being contrasted against. Definitions are meaningless if they do not also include what something *is not.*

I don't even know how it's gonna work in the US. I would say we have a chance in the US at forming a new identity and over time, a real ethnicity. Will never work in Europe. Only US, Canada, Aus...

But still just a chance

maybe I'm just subverting the Polish community due to my [[[Kashubian]]] ancestry

@NateDahl76 I've always classified the different groups of people as sub-species almost... we do this to classify other intelligent creatures with several variations, except for Humans.

@Nemets yeah, you’re probably right with that. I don’t think it permeated the consciousness of the entire group until later though. The Greeks knew about the differences between themselves and the Ethiopians, etc. I just meant more that “Europeans started to perceive themselves as a coherent group when they started to interact extensively with very different people.”

Humans have a high enough FST index between groups to count as separate sub species