Message from @OttoVonBismarck
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@Grenadier If automation is cheap enough there's no need for immigrants
Eh, there will always be some kind of need for laborers. And there will always be a desire to make them work cheaply.
"Can you build a wall Rick Harrison?"
"Best I can do is amnesty"
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I mean I guess, but automation can drastically decrease that need
And even if the immigrants aren't needed to reduce labor cost, they then become consumers.
Not if there's no work for them to make money to consume with
Which is where the UBI comes in.
Why would the elites want more people to share the UBI with?
They would just keep it otherwise
Just got called a Nazi for saying that almost all media corporations are headed by Jewish people
Lol
It doesn't really effect them, if we get to that stage of piss earth it just becomes more or less irrelevant.
@TylerHess "if a man cant support a family of 4 with 40 hours, the system has unequivoacably failed completely"
Would you still apply this standard to stuff like fast food jobs?
@Grenadier Of course it affects them, someone has to pay for the UBI
Yeah tbh people that try to support families on random service jobs are dumb.
A career should pay well.
Fast food is not a career
Plus taxes were lower
"Paying" for the UBI isn't an issue. We can constantly generate enough magic fiat money to feed to the masses, limiting it just enough to keep inflation comfortable. It doesn't really matter to them if the QoL for the average goes down as a result.
Grown ass people aren't in fast food as "careers" becaus they want to be.
Yeah you have to keep intellectual limitations in mind
In fact that's pretty much already happening in a way, if you compare real buying power for hours worked to what it was 50 years ago.
Well yeah I'm not going to troll people because they have a bad job, but It brings to mind groups of certain demographics of people screaming for 15 an hour min wage in the fast food industry.
@Grenadier I don't think the math would work out on that. If they're giving them enough money to buy stuff, that's either gonna come out of their own taxes or out of inflation. I mean maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure it's not mathematically possible to do that.
Or even just corporate predation. Wal Mart rolls into small town, puts the 10 sprecialized shops out
Which ironically minimum wage increases automation.
@Jacob id add in the qualifier that the standard doesnt apply to basic entry level jobs like churro selling which are usually for high school students to get some experience so they can move on.
ah okay
When you control every aspect of the market and currency, there's really not a lot you can't get away with.
to be honest, if I could make enough money to sustain myself with an easy job, I'd just take an easy job
Yeah I used to be a libertarian but I’m definitely a lot less free market now. My only qualm about limiting automation and avoiding the creation of self aware AI is that China has no such constraints
@Grenadier I mean I still don't think that's physically possible just because of math and stuff, but maybe I'm just not knowledgeable on economics
Well, China may not have such reservations but they're going to reap the same whirlwind.
Just like with designer babies. While we are waiting around China is actively pursuing the creation of 200 IQ children
It’s unnatural but I’m afraid it’s necessary to avoid being conquered by China
I'm not a free market absolutist but I think there needs to be a bit of temperament in some circles where people start throwing everything out conservatives touched just because neocons are gay. There are some complicated arguments on why markets should be more or less loosely regulated. Things like amazon paying no taxes are an issue though, as well at tech company censorship.
@OttoVonBismarck dude I totally agree