Message from @Mitchell-TX
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> was Polish before it was German
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Iβll have my sister bake you a cake
It wasnβt polish
It was old Prussian which was a Baltic people
people have this weird idea that Poland started in 1918 out of thin air
Prussia owned that area since the early Middle Ages
Ever heard of the Teutonic Knights π
The people there now though aren't the same as pre 1918
It was Prussian before it was German (Prussians aren't actually German; they're Balts, like Latvians and Lithuanians). π
Because of the whole ethnic cleansing of eastern europe of germans post ww2 thing
The Russians ethnically cleansed Prussia after WW2
@Bjorn - MD thatβs why I tell people Iβm Prussian and not German
@Bjorn - MD No, that's only East Prussia
Alt Hype talks about how in Western Europe, almost everyone is related to royalty because the lower classes were continuously dying off and being replaced by the next class higher
Or unextroardinary members of higher classes
"The people there now though aren't the same as pre 1918"
This talking point *might* work if my ancestors weren't Kashubian, who were there before both Germans and regular Polaks @Drover Tom
@Jacob Politically, yeah, but I'm just saying that linguistically all Prussians are Balts, not actually Germans. They were merely Germanicized by the Teutonic Order during the "Northern Crusades".
Related to royalty? Hunny, I *IS* royalty ππ π»
So we're all just descendants of shitty merchants
When you look closely at the lines, you can see where cousins married and where commoners married into noble families. All kinds of interesting things.
@John O - The Hanseatic pill <:redpill:439924063377555497>
@Jacob I'm talking more culturally and socially not necessarily ethnic
"Because of the whole ethnic cleansing of eastern europe of germans post ww2 thing"
I guess, but, I mean this just depends how far back you wanna go. Sure, Poland kicked Germans out. But Germans were only there because they kicked the original Polaks out.
Culturally and socially Kashubians were in Pomerania the longest
I am pretty sure my ancestors were Old Prussians but ancestry picks that up as Germanic.
@Jacob Granted. Even a significant amount of Germany proper was originally inhabited by Western Slavs, hence the Sorbs.
Because I uploaded to GEDMatch and it shows a lot of Baltic genes
They were all pretty much the same though, like under the Prussian/German empire
Now if you go there as soon as you cross the border from Germany its definitively Poland
I miss Prussia π¦
But in a weird way maybe Polish occupation of Prussia is preserving it at the moment
Until we take back Western Europe that is
@Bjorn - MD Right... if we're gonna play the whole "who was there longest" game, part of Germany should actually go to Poland
Never really thought of that
In that case, thanks @Jacob
Germany wasnt even a thing until the late 1800s lol
Prussia has existed a long time before Germany
Was the HRE not Germany?
@Jacob Sorbs aren't Poles, lol. They're not Lechitic. Closer to Bohemians than anyone else.
Well you had Germanic peoples but no unified Germany