Message from @Drover Tom
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"The people there now though aren't the same as pre 1918"
This talking point *might* work if my ancestors weren't Kashubian, who were there before both Germans and regular Polaks @Drover Tom
@Jacob Politically, yeah, but I'm just saying that linguistically all Prussians are Balts, not actually Germans. They were merely Germanicized by the Teutonic Order during the "Northern Crusades".
Related to royalty? Hunny, I *IS* royalty 👄💅🏻
So we're all just descendants of shitty merchants
When you look closely at the lines, you can see where cousins married and where commoners married into noble families. All kinds of interesting things.
@John O - The Hanseatic pill <:redpill:439924063377555497>
@Jacob I'm talking more culturally and socially not necessarily ethnic
"Because of the whole ethnic cleansing of eastern europe of germans post ww2 thing"
I guess, but, I mean this just depends how far back you wanna go. Sure, Poland kicked Germans out. But Germans were only there because they kicked the original Polaks out.
Culturally and socially Kashubians were in Pomerania the longest
I am pretty sure my ancestors were Old Prussians but ancestry picks that up as Germanic.
@Jacob Granted. Even a significant amount of Germany proper was originally inhabited by Western Slavs, hence the Sorbs.
Because I uploaded to GEDMatch and it shows a lot of Baltic genes
They were all pretty much the same though, like under the Prussian/German empire
Now if you go there as soon as you cross the border from Germany its definitively Poland
I miss Prussia 😦
But in a weird way maybe Polish occupation of Prussia is preserving it at the moment
Until we take back Western Europe that is
@Bjorn - MD Right... if we're gonna play the whole "who was there longest" game, part of Germany should actually go to Poland
Never really thought of that
In that case, thanks @Jacob
Prussia has existed a long time before Germany
Was the HRE not Germany?
@Jacob Sorbs aren't Poles, lol. They're not Lechitic. Closer to Bohemians than anyone else.
Well you had Germanic peoples but no unified Germany
I mean, sure, but Kashubians technically aren't Poles either
Yeah, but they're at least Lechitic.
I guess we're gonna have to give part of Germany to Czech Republic then
Germany was made up of city states mostly. That's why there's still such a drastic dialectic difference in the german language
Prussia, Hesse, Westphalia, Saxony, etc.
Bavaria
Yupp ^ Like when I lived in Northern Germany people there talked shit on Bavaria all the time, and said they didnt speak 'real german'
ultimately though, I don't think people should really have a say on what happens in their homeland unless they actually commit to it and live in it
@Jacob There were less than, like, 60,000 Sorbians the better part of twenty years ago, and they're probably being completely assimilated into what's left of German culture at this point. Probably not feasible. Internal autonomy, if nothing else, but even that would be a bit dodgy, because there's even a little bit of division between Upper and Lower Sorbs.
right
I agree about not having a say unless you have a stake.
it was more of a thought exercise on what happens if we take this to the logical conclusion
@Jacob No u.
(Drop the 🎤)
It's how America conquered the west. Anyone can claim it, but whoever settles it and works the land owns it
Fair enough. I just though I'd jump into the clusterf@#$ and indulge in a bit of <:avtism:359037377919844352>, lol.