So we're all just descendants of shitty merchants

When you look closely at the lines, you can see where cousins married and where commoners married into noble families. All kinds of interesting things.

@John O - The Hanseatic pill <:redpill:439924063377555497>

@Jacob I'm talking more culturally and socially not necessarily ethnic

"Because of the whole ethnic cleansing of eastern europe of germans post ww2 thing"

I guess, but, I mean this just depends how far back you wanna go. Sure, Poland kicked Germans out. But Germans were only there because they kicked the original Polaks out.

Culturally and socially Kashubians were in Pomerania the longest

I am pretty sure my ancestors were Old Prussians but ancestry picks that up as Germanic.

@Jacob Granted. Even a significant amount of Germany proper was originally inhabited by Western Slavs, hence the Sorbs.

Because I uploaded to GEDMatch and it shows a lot of Baltic genes

They were all pretty much the same though, like under the Prussian/German empire

Now if you go there as soon as you cross the border from Germany its definitively Poland

I miss Prussia 😦

But in a weird way maybe Polish occupation of Prussia is preserving it at the moment

Until we take back Western Europe that is

@Bjorn - MD Right... if we're gonna play the whole "who was there longest" game, part of Germany should actually go to Poland

Never really thought of that

In that case, thanks @Jacob

Germany wasnt even a thing until the late 1800s lol

Prussia has existed a long time before Germany

Was the HRE not Germany?

@Jacob Sorbs aren't Poles, lol. They're not Lechitic. Closer to Bohemians than anyone else.

Well you had Germanic peoples but no unified Germany

I mean, sure, but Kashubians technically aren't Poles either

Yeah, but they're at least Lechitic.

I guess we're gonna have to give part of Germany to Czech Republic then

Germany was made up of city states mostly. That's why there's still such a drastic dialectic difference in the german language

Prussia, Hesse, Westphalia, Saxony, etc.

Bavaria

Yupp ^ Like when I lived in Northern Germany people there talked shit on Bavaria all the time, and said they didnt speak 'real german'

ultimately though, I don't think people should really have a say on what happens in their homeland unless they actually commit to it and live in it

@Jacob There were less than, like, 60,000 Sorbians the better part of twenty years ago, and they're probably being completely assimilated into what's left of German culture at this point. Probably not feasible. Internal autonomy, if nothing else, but even that would be a bit dodgy, because there's even a little bit of division between Upper and Lower Sorbs.

right

I agree about not having a say unless you have a stake.

it was more of a thought exercise on what happens if we take this to the logical conclusion

@Jacob No u.

(Drop the 🎤)

It's how America conquered the west. Anyone can claim it, but whoever settles it and works the land owns it

Fair enough. I just though I'd jump into the clusterf@#$ and indulge in a bit of <:avtism:359037377919844352>, lol.

@Drover Tom This topic really tickles my tism’

Not gonna lie, I do plan on voting in Polish elections in 2019. But that's because, if I don't vote, someone else who doesn't have a stake is gonna vote and they're gonna vote for something worse.

@DixieBoy76 - KY what was that in response to?