@BubbleBurster let's go to civil debate @Citizen Z

Why do you care so much

Dunno if anyone saw that debate on FTFE's channel today but it was a dumpster fire

@BubbleBurster the one that took place here in icewall?

Maybe. It had people from ice wall server in it

It was a 3 way debate. Globe earth, flat earth, and simulation theory lol

The latter must have been a joke tho

https://youtu.be/jo9536L5tOg

Phuket Word huh? That guy is one of the dumbest flat earthers

He lately believes that the sky is an actual liquid at some point

He's made demonstrations of perspective which accidentally debunk his own position

I don't take him seriously anymore

A lot of flat-earthers believe in a ‘waters above’ as described in the Bible iirc

Well yeah that's likely where he gets it from. Here's his reasoning:

It gets colder as you rise in elevation. At some point the oxygen, nitrogen, etc turns into liquid

Even though the temps for that to occur are known as are the temps in the atmosphere

Hmm

And high altitude balloons don't get wet nor show signs of contraction or freezing from extremely low temps that would have to be present for those liquids

Nor an explanation of how those liquids would stay suspended in the air

Basically "I believe X" and "I'm not going to address the problems with my positon"

The mesopause is the coldest part of the atmosphere and it’s still well above the boiling point of those gases

I think most people who believe in ‘waters above’ think that it’s above the firmament

That's fine. So what's the observation that leads to that hypothesis, I'd ask

Or the one that leads to the hypothesis of a firmament existing

Idk

You can only get to those hypotheses biblically. And that is NOT a valid launching point in science

True

And then even if you'd like to proceed with the scientific method, more power to you. But how would you test the accuracy of these claims?

There's just no evidence

And if God gave us a rational and scientific brain that cannot be utilized to discover him, that's some sick joke

Even if I believed in a god, I wouldn't believe in a god like that

In my later years of being a Christian, I believed that God’s existence was unfalsifiable, but that we were just supposed to have faith, and use science for everything else.

Yeah I call that compartmentalizing

If it doesn't cause someone to deny science I'm not that concerned about it

But it sometimes does

hello fellow flatties

Well, you can't really prove or disprove the existence of a deity through science, it's why there's a part of philosophy that deals with metaphysics, the word literally means "the thing after physics". But having faith in a god shouldn't prevent you from using your brain and exploring the world around you.
I believe most FE people here are Christians so I will refer to the Christian Bible. In Matthew 25:14-30, The parable of the Talents, the master gets angry at the servant who buried his talent in the ground. God doesn't want humans to just be lazy and do nothing, he wants them to use the talents he gave them to better themselves. By extension, using science in order to explore and explain his creation is part of what he wants from humans.
It's pretty sad to see conspiracy theorists hide behind their bible to justify absolutely ridiculous things. God gave you a massive universe to marvel in and you sit in your basement and believe that the government is trying to dupe you into thinking the earth is a globe and that climate change is a hoax. This only shows they are lazy and misunderstand the message of the bible.

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Questioning what you've learned and doing experiments on your own is great, but you still need to apply the scientific method. So far, every experiment that supposedly proves that the earth is flat always had a flaw in the approach, but instead of accepting this, FE just turn a blind eye and continue to spread their ignorance and claiming that they are doing the work of God. The bible is mainly comprised of parables, it was never meant to be used as a scientific reference. If it were meant to be a scientific book, there would be experiments, measurements, equations and data.

With all the proof about a globe, there's no real reason to believe the earth is flat. Anyone who says so is either the product of a failed education system or someone who is trying to take advantage of others. And what baffles me is how many books does one need to understand "be nice to others". This verse pretty much sums it up: "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." John 13:34

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hello fellow flattys