@Doctor Anon

Even if events are predetermined then there is room for free will as we are ignorant of the future and any choice we make, even knowing it, is still done in free will however we know the ultimate outcome of our decisions. IMO tha tmakes sense, that or I may be retarded

It makes sense, unless both of us are retarded.

ikr @Mr. Wonderful regarding ur post, thx for the reply

have a good week

@Bogatyr Bogumir you got it

I'll try clarifying why you're right when I get home

Kill all Muslims

edgy and stupid

😎 this is what all the Kool Kidz are into these days

the idea is that the determinant nature is not destined by God's action, but ascertained by his knowledge yielding what will happen

so the sum of anything that happens will be free insofar that you will choose the determined choice 100% of the time

because that determined trajectory of history, time, or whatever is the sum of those choices

Without the role of God involved it devolves from a determinist outlook to a silly truism - What is chosen will be the result 100% of the time

Why not even try?

You do not know the outcome

Why not try?

If you try, salvation

If you don't, damnation

Or if you are right, we just die

I see no foul in trying

Trying is not enough

Obviously

Fanaticism is absolutely necessary

I'm just trying to simplify it

Anything less is not enough

You were just playing the Calvinism angle, that's all

The truth is that we cannot understand God's plan/goal for us as humans

We cannot comprehend what he plans for us

Just as an ant cannot comprehend the imagination of a human

Calvinism and pre-selection is actially retarded

@Doctor Anon what is your issue with my theory

Who is to say that God has any plans for us at all?

Maybe he only intervenes when we are about to kill ourselves or are about to hit rock bottom?

who is to say that it's all in our heads? maybe the sheer irrepressible power of the human mind and soul combined are just having a large-scale placebo effect and we just think "religion" is based from the people who think alike?
or even since it's all the human mind, all humans are interconnected in this so-called "religion"

@j.toffee

@j.toffee
Your argument has no foundation. Build upon it and it has potential...
To be knocked down by logic and that “religion” you think is just from our minds.
Blasphemy is the only word which comes to mind.

Ill read up on death today and try to bring some information from the observable World about God. I have some 50 source booked when i had my metal break exactly one year ago.

There is an issue with psychology and many atheist BIG thinkers stating that we can ot co prehend not existing and death. However i beg to differ and this Led me to study which resukted in me beliwving in God the after life and all that. Ironically empiricism Led me to this.

@Doctor Anon i think i will write a paper on this determinism thing

I just wondered what would happen if everyone was convinced that there is no god