Message from @Deli.v2
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Those who reject are easily blameable, because of their rejection
They we're predestined to tho
It wasn't their absolute free will to reject
They freely chose the course history will take
If God knows all to happen then there is only one determined timeline
That means every motion and decision is exactly the determined timeline
The determined nature does not justify humans who act the way they do in sin
Because God does not act on the predestination of all souls
The sum of decisions would be the history, God's knowledge facilitates history in all its decisions to be singular and not variable on will
So people's decisions will result exactly as determined
By free choice
Even if events are predetermined then there is room for free will as we are ignorant of the future and any choice we make, even knowing it, is still done in free will however we know the ultimate outcome of our decisions. IMO tha tmakes sense, that or I may be retarded
It makes sense, unless both of us are retarded.
ikr @Mr. Wonderful regarding ur post, thx for the reply
have a good week
@Bogatyr Bogumir you got it
I'll try clarifying why you're right when I get home
Kill all Muslims
edgy and stupid
the idea is that the determinant nature is not destined by God's action, but ascertained by his knowledge yielding what will happen
so the sum of anything that happens will be free insofar that you will choose the determined choice 100% of the time
because that determined trajectory of history, time, or whatever is the sum of those choices
Without the role of God involved it devolves from a determinist outlook to a silly truism - What is chosen will be the result 100% of the time
Why not even try?
You do not know the outcome
Why not try?
If you try, salvation
If you don't, damnation
Or if you are right, we just die
I see no foul in trying
Trying is not enough
Obviously
Fanaticism is absolutely necessary
I'm just trying to simplify it
Anything less is not enough
You were just playing the Calvinism angle, that's all
The truth is that we cannot understand God's plan/goal for us as humans
We cannot comprehend what he plans for us
Just as an ant cannot comprehend the imagination of a human