The problem with welfare (at least in America) is that you're punished for actually getting a job, because in a lot of cases your effective income will be diminished

Okay, and did it keep you afloat?

Did you starve to death?

Did you lose all ability to house yourself?

Welfare is a handicap.

Something you use to get yourself on your feet.

if you want to

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 I'm just saying it wasn't necessarily a "hand out"

You shouldn't try to live off of what the government gives you.

It's so little.

and it's not like it was a lot

I'd rather let you starve to death than let the goberment get involved

and I'm 100% serious

Or Y'know.

That's not welfare, that's employment insurance.

Instead of trying to find food you should try to find a job.

Something you can only get if you have worked over a certain number of hours

I think if cities want that sort of thing they need to be willing to pay it themselves. So if a city wants Welfare, they need to pay it out of their own budget.

That would give people a measure for how unsustainable it is.

I'm personally in favor of giving the taxpayers more control over how their money is allocated. That way, they'd have to sell the idea to us.

mfw @Milk is forced to accept handouts via pandhandling when whatever job he has becomes automated <:HyperLmao:459545665517780993>

@Milk while I technically agree, I believe that is less likely to happen once we move to private charity

I'm not going to comment

I hate debates about automation

why because it's a real issue

It isn't

go away

Lol

You sound like a conspiracy theorist

and not this penny ante shit about social programs?

Automation debate is fearmongering

Automation will be an issue within a few decades.

Automation debate is not only real, it's happened in the past

It was an issue when car manufacturers started it.

"AI is going to..." *puts on tin foil hat* "replace all the jobs man"

Thousands of jobs lost to machines.

lol

fearmongering

A huge portion of the labour pool

Gone.

more like genuine foreboading