@campodin if you think the rich are being taxed I've got news for you

and I meant fed, state, ss and medi

those are taxes

I don't think it should be completely abolished in all forms

I do

Like a soldier should be able to apply for Government benefits when times are tough.

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 I want it to be abolished, but slowly over time

I think more oversight is needed if we have them

"Please take my money and make tanks while everything else goes to absolute shit"

None of this honour system nonsense.

Yeah, because paying for the military is funding jobs

lol

"Did you go looking for work this week?"
"Yes."
"okay, here's your handout."

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 that should be the very least

And the military isn't always spending where you think

A lot of it goes to frivolous nonsensical things.

when I got unemployment it came from a pool I had paid into when I had a job and honestly it was barely enough to cover anything @Summī Imperator, 呪い殿

like $800 a month

that's peanuts

The problem with welfare (at least in America) is that you're punished for actually getting a job, because in a lot of cases your effective income will be diminished

Okay, and did it keep you afloat?

Did you starve to death?

Did you lose all ability to house yourself?

Welfare is a handicap.

Something you use to get yourself on your feet.

if you want to

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 I'm just saying it wasn't necessarily a "hand out"

You shouldn't try to live off of what the government gives you.

It's so little.

and it's not like it was a lot

I'd rather let you starve to death than let the goberment get involved

and I'm 100% serious

Or Y'know.

That's not welfare, that's employment insurance.

Instead of trying to find food you should try to find a job.

Something you can only get if you have worked over a certain number of hours

I think if cities want that sort of thing they need to be willing to pay it themselves. So if a city wants Welfare, they need to pay it out of their own budget.

That would give people a measure for how unsustainable it is.

I'm personally in favor of giving the taxpayers more control over how their money is allocated. That way, they'd have to sell the idea to us.

mfw @Milk is forced to accept handouts via pandhandling when whatever job he has becomes automated <:HyperLmao:459545665517780993>

@Milk while I technically agree, I believe that is less likely to happen once we move to private charity