Message from @Muhammad Al-Tajir

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2018-11-28 15:21:25 UTC  

Alcohol has been missused in this country for longer than there is written sources

2018-11-28 15:23:03 UTC  

The difference is that older generations were chastised.

2018-11-28 15:23:50 UTC  

The problem with Islam is it is all or nothing package. @Muhammad Al-Tajir
There are good reasons to not be Muslims, which means you have to punish good people to establish order.

2018-11-28 15:38:00 UTC  

punish good people to establish order. do you mean fornication or gay sex?

2018-11-28 15:38:21 UTC  
2018-11-28 15:38:53 UTC  

in pauls writing it says rulers are only bad for bad people

2018-11-28 15:38:57 UTC  

but not for good people????

2018-11-28 15:40:04 UTC  

Punishing people for not conforming to Islam's other precepts which are just to protect the religion and not to punish bad behaviour

2018-11-28 15:41:29 UTC  

what are you talking about. in a 100% shariah place a people of another religion should be able to do its rituals and practice the religion

2018-11-28 15:41:38 UTC  

thats not the case today. or in some places

2018-11-28 15:41:49 UTC  

because theres no 100% shariah as it used to be back then

2018-11-28 15:42:19 UTC  

@Muhammad Al-Tajir shariah law allows the impregnating of children aged 9

2018-11-28 15:42:20 UTC  

Go on

2018-11-28 15:42:22 UTC  

they just pay jizya and thats it. if a muslim kills theirs the muslim will be executed

2018-11-28 15:42:45 UTC  

Read my comment for perhaps more clarity. It's moreso the abandoning of Truths that may be destabilizing that leads to despotic tendency and a lack of growth, with the benefit of regional stability of culture

2018-11-28 15:42:47 UTC  

@Doctor Anon sources pls

2018-11-28 15:43:24 UTC  

Several examples, like death for apostasy. Also, in Islam, there is virtually no possibility of a guaranteed propagation of religion.

2018-11-28 15:44:10 UTC  

Muslim men have sexual rights to any woman/girl not wearing the Hijab (see Taharrush).

2018-11-28 15:44:11 UTC  

there is no death for apostasy. but there is death for the apostate who goes against the state by attacking it

2018-11-28 15:44:23 UTC  

@Doctor Anon what the hell is taharrush

2018-11-28 15:44:30 UTC  

btw thats egypts ruling

2018-11-28 15:44:42 UTC  

@Muhammad Al-Tajir The line that separates that has been quite shaky.

2018-11-28 15:44:44 UTC  

show me where it says so in the sharia

2018-11-28 15:44:57 UTC  

@Doctor Anon That is not true

2018-11-28 15:45:00 UTC  

@Draco basically practice any religion you want. dont harm others

2018-11-28 15:45:15 UTC  

Woah woah

2018-11-28 15:45:18 UTC  

Hi

2018-11-28 15:45:22 UTC  

Wtf is going on here

2018-11-28 15:45:31 UTC  

and just you know. just dont go attacking the state or you'll be attacked as a result. thats our shariah

2018-11-28 15:46:01 UTC  

its not "kill them wherever you see them" like some dude who obv hasnt read the seerah of the prophet saws

2018-11-28 15:46:02 UTC  

Attacking the state often is sufficed by attacking the religion because there is no separation.

2018-11-28 15:46:28 UTC  

@Draco so apostating is equal to attacking the state?is that what you mean?

2018-11-28 15:46:54 UTC  

Lol. No. Would preaching against Islam be ok in 100% Sharia state?

2018-11-28 15:47:17 UTC  

hmm. good question

2018-11-28 15:47:33 UTC  

probably not. it would get you imprisoned but probably not killed

2018-11-28 15:48:54 UTC  

Well, then that is bad. Because that means that the only way to propagate another religion, which may be anti-degeneracy as well is to take care not to attack established religion, which is a dicey territory.
Which means, the stability of society becomes directly tied to Islam and it is all or nothing package

2018-11-28 15:51:42 UTC  

laws only shariah

2018-11-28 15:52:01 UTC  

if it doesnt exist in qur'an and sunnah we will see among the righteous medieval scholars

2018-11-28 15:52:13 UTC  

which actually do answer most of our daily questions

2018-11-28 15:52:22 UTC  

it goes to fiqh

2018-11-28 15:52:24 UTC  

ijma and qiyas