that's some no true scotsman shit, cause I know Reagan for sure did, and Reagan is still popular with boomers today

then how did the idea get into the memespace?

democracy is the worst form of government

It hasn't happened yet. The high point was getting side-mouthed pandering to by Trump and Shillary trying to nag at them for how 'immoral' they are. The movement hasn't died. No one who seriously becomes aware of demographic changes and the failure of the political parties in nearly ALL white nations suddenly just says, aw fuck it I'mma vote for the neocon now. It goes one direction only, further right.

I have a feeling we're going to see a dissident group of new-money billionaires funneling resources to someone with some strong New Right positions, and willing to go the distance. Otherwise they get to see lots of things they like about American/European culture **die** when Western civilization turns into a giant 3rd-word favela. Depending on how their assets are secured, they may even lose it all if the US economy shits the bed (someone better informed on how billionaires secure their wealth, please fill me in). The country is full of people that are alienated by the media, alienated by all the major institutions, and now their one "God Emperor" is failing to do a single fucking thing they elected him for, and signaling his alliance with a separate class entirely. It's absolutely ripe for a real leader with some new positions and the willingness and ability to push them through. There's no where else to run. People can sense it. Now you get to see if it was a good idea to corner the animal.

How about we *remove* the traitors currently facilitating this migration before we worry about pie-in-the-sky imperial dreams

communism rule of the 'proletariat' the common man, democracy rule of the people, the common man

communism is good in theory, if the workers are informed

tfw get your guns confiscated illegally, and shot when you refuse

https://archive.fo/9N7TV

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

Democracy is a looser form of communism, and always drives further to the left over time

You're really going to argue that Solzhenitsyn isn't a good source when it comes to "socialist/communist" states? You're really going to support unwarranted gun seizure? I thought this was a right-wing server

so youre a utopianist idiot that thinks, somehow, you know a way to make one of the bloodiest ideologies to ever manifest workable

The entire framework itself is based on coarse hedonism and dysgenic policy anyway, it's unworkable

Did I say evil? I said dysgenic and based around hedonistic concerns

As well as "one of the bloodiest ideologies to manifest", is that untrue?

Dysgenic because it redistributes resources to the underclass, the low-IQ. Hedonistic because it has absolutely no relationship to any transcendent values, only 'stuff', only 'capital'

That does not take away from what I said, as well capitalism is just 'free market' freedom of exchange. It does not require a strong state to come in and enforce the principle, which outside of fringe communes, that I fully support, is the means and ends of any large scale socialist institution.

Those are not policies that I support, are not inherent to "capitalism", and are the result of democracy, rule by the underclass.

I believe aristocracy is preferable to democracy

it's private control of 'capital' which is essentially just 'stuff', a valuable thing. So bartering is capitalist, I'm not sure what else you might define it under. Socialism is slippier intellectually but for pragmatic purposes you could call it government formed by the underclass.

Here we go, more moral posturing about workers rights. That is why I said there is nothing in socialism or democracy beyond coarse hedonism. No transcendental nature in the soul of mankind.

Your stated qualities of aristocracy are not necessarily detrimental.

The republic of Rome was aristocratic, a senate of powerful families.

It's true that youre reducing the highest goal of mankind to acquiring and enjoying resources. In your case the worker seeks to become the bourgeoise, to have his lifestyle for himself. Pure resentment.

I said aristocracy, which has connotations of hereditary rule but is not defined by such. Rule of the upper class in spirit, ability, deed.

The proletariat notion of utopianism involves removing capital from its holders and redistributing it amongst themselves, the self-perceived lower class. It is purely material, based only on notions of quantity and quality of 'stuff' possessed. There is nothing ennobling about it. Obviously if there was a chance for excess via the confiscation of capital, the member of the proletariat would like that for himself.

Pure dysgenics, to give resources to those who have no other quality than existing. Funny to support this system and disparage hereditary rule.

Eugenics and transcendentalism

leftism is dysgenia

Case in point, leftist doesn't understand what dysgenic policy is

It's the future parodied in the movie Idiocracy. The highly capable spend more time advancing humanity than reproducing, the underclass has nothing better to do

In a framework that you might understand, yes

when did I ever say I supported purely hereditary government?

I said I support eugenics and transcendentalism

aristocracy, rule of the nobility

not exactly, it can be

and yes, because they are the nation

You live a separate life from everyone else

are we really arguing based on the lowest common denominator?

I support any policy that reduces the reproduction of the low IQ, the lazy, the incapable, the ugly. I support any policy that leads to more people with will-to-power, sharp mind, beauty and strength. I support any policy that leads the Overton window away from crass materialism. I support any policy that leads to public dialog and appreciation for transcending the lower qualities in any manifestation.

However these policies come about, that is the state I support. Democracy has failed in this aspect, for technical reasons, and cannot succeed given the conditions of the world today.

Sure stumped me, friend.

It also empowers the lower classes by electing politicians to hand out gibs

and gives incentive for moving vast numbers of people into the state

that don't really contribute

I feel like we agree on vastly more than we disagree

aristocracy in the highest form is meritocracy

You're fantastic at rebuttal, enjoyed this conversation. Lots of salient points to consider.

Blessing. Better to be highly intelligent and depressed or schizo than to be barely functional retarded and depressed or schizo

This applies to the amerimutt meme quite well

I'm personally of Irish, Dutch, Polish, Swiss, Italian, German, and Hungarian ancestry. What is the story of my heritage?

European? I inherit the story of Europa?

Democracy is a sham system, running for office in such a system shows not my desire to fix things but to obtain power.

I'm a fairly homogenous mix, third or fourth generation of immigrant blending.

I do refer to myself as American. Specifically White American, because I don't identify with the blacks, the hispanics, or even the Orientals who have been here for just as many generations as my ancestors (perhaps longer). I don't have much Anglo in me, I don't come from any WASPs as far as I know, so my story does not extend back in this continent enough for me to consider myself such an inheritor. So while for practical reasons I am American, I can't say I am the carrier of some sort of American spirit beyond the fact I exist in the modern incarnation of the country.

When people like C. G. Jung talk about the lack of a Cthonic quality in the Ashkenazim, no quality of blood and soil, I have no choice but to say, well damn, me too. For the modern America certainly is not my home, most of its organs of power and control have declared war against people of my demographic. I don't have a homeland, I don't have an unbroken narrative of ancestry. I have European-ness, a coarse sort of heritage of merely continental genetic origin. I'm simply 'White'.

I've had to create my own story, for better or for worse, in order to have a reason to survive. I inherit the project of Beauty and Nature of the Greeks, the project of Imperium and Law of the Romans, the project of Truth of the good parts of the Enlightenment. These values are those that resonate within my soul. I cannot necessarily claim they are my inheritance by blut, but they are the torch I choose to bear.

The architecture itself contributes to this feeling of purposelessness. Giant blocks of steel, stone and glass. No aesthetic or artistic beauty. Suburban centers are even worse. At least the city structures impose on you with their sheer magnitude. Outside is ugly bare concrete, parking lots, and global brands as far as you can see. Much has been said on this, nothing has been done in any significant way.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6071/6035126013_e8a2bd3105_b.jpg

The only way to learn how to problem solve is to set up projects and accomplish them

'How to Solve it' by Polya is a good book to read but honestly it tells you what you already know on some level

Just 50 million to go!

"The places these people are coming from are so terrible, we have to let them come in! Don't you have any heart?"

Does anyone with an IQ above room temp actually buy this? Why the fuck are these places so terrible? Is it in the water or dirt there somehow? It couldn't be that third world people make for third world countries....

@Bogatyr Bogumir Since you're very aware of the values of real Traditionalism, I wanted to ask you what you thought of Russia and Putin seemingly bringing such values back. I know Russians and Poles have a long ugly history, but from an Amerimutt perspective Putin is probably the best thing to happen to Russia, and perhaps Eastern Europe, in centuries. Poland seems confused as to what it is as a nation. They, from my perspective, reject the notion of being a nation of the West, while at the same time the younger generation seems gravitated towards the globohomo monoculture.

What do you see as the future of Central and Eastern Europe? It seems like you guys are starting to realize the poison but only after too many have drank from the punchbowl.

The state is probably in the most precarious position it's ever been. The only saving grace is the fact any resistance tends to fight it's own first in purity spiraling.

Talking about any biological differences between races and genders has become more of a no-no topic than ever before. Let alone calling faggots degenerate and a source of national decay

Islam is far too conformist. It leads to placing empirically invalid strictures as the highest of moral purity. This leads to stagnation. It makes sense, as a religion founded in a place where despotism will keep your tribe alive in a region where to fall off the path is to perish to elements and conquerors alike.

The placing of Truth, analytically and synthetically verified, is the double edged sword that gave the West it's power over the world, but also prematurely destroyed its traditions that held it together. Whichever society can manage a fusion of absolute Truth and social values that allow propagation and cohesion of the people will come to rule the globe and more. There is simply no competition.

Read my comment for perhaps more clarity. It's moreso the abandoning of Truths that may be destabilizing that leads to despotic tendency and a lack of growth, with the benefit of regional stability of culture

" if russia does in fact actually become traditionalist and become rooted in its ancient values and systems then more power to it. However Russia has, as far as I know, been crackig down on both nationalists and far leftists, the former is veyr worrying while the latter is heart warming. "

From what I understand, the Nationalist crackdown is just to maintain order in general, which can only be a good thing seeing the history of the place. Russia as a state is highly multiethnic, and recognizes itself as such. There is nothing stopping the orthodox white Russians from prospering, and indeed it seems that Putin is encouraging the old ways. I could be misinformed, my eyes have been primarily on the US, trying to figure out where this whole thing might be heading, into further decay or a rebirth.

(here is a video about how fertile orthodox Russians are rewarded)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpdkDZIkMbg


"As far as central europe goes, i dont think the west can go another 50-100 years without civil war of some sorts."

I agree with you, and I can say the timescale in the US is much shorter. There are too many discontented and the infrastructure is too fragile. I am not so optimistic for the other western nations, however. I see maybe Eastern Germany and perhaps Italy shaking off the delusion, but I also see very strong clinging to globohomo values in France and the UK without nearly as much cultural Left-Right division as is becoming apparent in the US. By the time enough people get together it may already be too late, there is no waiting 50 years, if you look at the demographics of the youth.

"Either Poland gets its shit together and the masculine man arises, or it falls into obscurity"

Not just Poland, but every developed country must pass through the great filter. Even those nations as far flung from the West as Korea and Japan must restore the natural order or face extinction.

@Bogatyr Bogumir

>The Argument from Miracles:
>The Argument from Prophecy:

bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I don't believe in anything I cannot test with my own faculties of perception and reason. I do believe in reputable sources, to the extent that it is reasonable to believe in them.

I see you are a fool who will follow whoever has the biggest carrot or stick

or just happened to speak to you first

If there was no proof how would I know anyone was raped? There must be accusation at the least, which is a form of proof in and of itself

Then why is your profile a pic of Lenin?

Are you joking? The Church was absolutely destroyed by the early regime (synagogues were fine though, strange). It was only allowed back in a limited way when Stalin was trying to find anything to give his people some level of morale.

I'm repeating what I read in Solzhenitsyn's work...

K

Watching your people act like soulless hedonistic whores while the financial/media/political elite consolidate power by destroying the highest civilization man has ever produced so they can rule over a planet filled with low IQ dipshits and garbage sucks

The legend is the prevention of European genocide going on in all of our countries

I can't even die for anything. It would just sew chaos. Everyone has chosen to give up the great project of man's conquest of nature and creation of beauty in favor of.... Who knows. Plastic bottles of water and diverse Hollywood movies? I do what I can but I am only one man and I do not hold much influence.

And God said, “Let Us make living creatures out of mud, so the mud can see what We have done.” And God created every living creature that now moveth, and one was man. Mud as man alone could speak. God leaned close as mud as man sat up, looked around, and spoke. Man blinked. “What is the purpose of all this?” he asked politely.
“Everything must have a purpose?” asked God.
“Certainly,” said man.
“Then I leave it to you to think of one for all this,” said God.
And He went away.

- Kurt Vonnegut