Message from @Enigmatic★Chromatic

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2018-10-23 16:43:12 UTC  

If the soviet system only ever rivaled the US

2018-10-23 16:43:34 UTC  

Clearly the US did something better

2018-10-23 16:43:56 UTC  

Better in what respect?

2018-10-23 16:44:36 UTC  

I wouldn't consider the disgusting amounts of over production by Capitalism "better"

2018-10-23 16:45:49 UTC  

But the US didn't collapse

2018-10-23 16:46:00 UTC  

And it wasn't an authoritarian dictatorship

2018-10-23 16:46:03 UTC  

Technically neither did the USSR

2018-10-23 16:46:12 UTC  

Oh the USSR wasn't a dictatorship either

2018-10-23 16:46:16 UTC  

The USSR never collapsed?

2018-10-23 16:46:19 UTC  

Both are Authoritarian however

2018-10-23 16:46:28 UTC  

No it was dissolved by Yeltsin

2018-10-23 16:47:12 UTC  

In fact a vote to keep the USSR had people vote in iver whelming numbers across all the SSRs and the RSFSR to maintain it

2018-10-23 16:48:02 UTC  

However the bureaucracy couldn't profit from the organization of the USSR and needed to open up the markets such that they could benefit

2018-10-23 16:48:13 UTC  

Ok cool

2018-10-23 16:48:14 UTC  

So the USSR was forcefully dissolved

2018-10-23 16:48:33 UTC  

But again if the capitalist system is just effective then why change it

2018-10-23 16:48:46 UTC  

Effective in what regard?

2018-10-23 16:48:54 UTC  

Currently the only argument is muh exploitation

2018-10-23 16:48:57 UTC  

I didn't get into how Capitalism collapses every ten years

2018-10-23 16:49:02 UTC  

Effective in every regard

2018-10-23 16:49:11 UTC  

Nonsense

2018-10-23 16:49:21 UTC  

If the USSR only came to rival the US economy

2018-10-23 16:49:39 UTC  

You're missing the point

2018-10-23 16:49:47 UTC  

Which is?

2018-10-23 16:50:57 UTC  

Like I get it, Capitalism has created a culture which prioritizes consumption and the glorification of buying a lot of stuff

2018-10-23 16:51:22 UTC  

My concern is not with getting people luxuries

2018-10-23 16:54:17 UTC  

my god

2018-10-23 16:54:20 UTC  

Let's look at the USSR again, it started as a backwards semi-feudal country under the Tsarist regime which has chronic famine, like all pre-industrial societies. Through the development of industry famine was eventually eliminated, literacy went up to near perfect numbers, everyone was employed

It wasn't a luxurious life, but those people who would have been living under a capitalist system at the bottom, those who would be starving, homeless and illiterate we're educated, fed and housed. That's what I care about. I don't care about someone's ability to have fancy cars, gold watches or other meaningless and superfluous nonsense, I care about what happens to the people on the bottom

2018-10-23 16:54:22 UTC  

spit it out

2018-10-23 16:54:24 UTC  

ah

2018-10-23 16:55:03 UTC  

So you believe in a nanny state

2018-10-23 16:55:11 UTC  

The people worked

2018-10-23 16:55:18 UTC  

It wasn't *welfare*

2018-10-23 16:55:33 UTC  

In fact I would say welfare is entirely unnecessary if you have socialism

2018-10-23 16:56:16 UTC  

If people earned in full what they produced, if people had a say in their working lives, then welfare is not necessary

2018-10-23 16:56:33 UTC  

Welfare is a band-aid for Capitalism when it fails, or when communists get uppity

2018-10-23 16:56:59 UTC  

FDR in order to do the new deal said, "if we don't give them this much, they'll take everything you have"

2018-10-23 16:57:15 UTC  

As the threat or communist revolution was a very real thing during the great depression

2018-10-23 16:59:18 UTC  

@Enigmatic★Chromatic would you mind watching a video

2018-10-23 16:59:23 UTC  

3min long

2018-10-23 16:59:34 UTC  

Uh, sure