Message from @Obungus
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The entirety of who works the place makes decisions on how it will be run and such
hmm
So a democratic corporation?
In this case they still worked under commodity production so how the money they received from their products would be used was decided by meetings and such, if they were too large, likely by vote
Yeah I guess o was basically saying that
That seems wildly inefficient
In the case of state own industries they would election one of their co-workers to the soviets, actually I think all work places would election representatives to the soviets to represent them
Not really, considering the GDP nearly rivalled the USA on a number of occasions
Usually managers are elected as well
So it's not like bosses don't exist, it's that everyone have power in the work place and your boss is accountable to you
As a Marxist the existence of authority or a boss is not my concern
What's the point then
If the soviet system only ever rivaled the US
Clearly the US did something better
Better in what respect?
I wouldn't consider the disgusting amounts of over production by Capitalism "better"
But the US didn't collapse
And it wasn't an authoritarian dictatorship
Technically neither did the USSR
Oh the USSR wasn't a dictatorship either
Both are Authoritarian however
No it was dissolved by Yeltsin
In fact a vote to keep the USSR had people vote in iver whelming numbers across all the SSRs and the RSFSR to maintain it
However the bureaucracy couldn't profit from the organization of the USSR and needed to open up the markets such that they could benefit
Ok cool
So the USSR was forcefully dissolved
But again if the capitalist system is just effective then why change it
Effective in what regard?
Currently the only argument is muh exploitation
I didn't get into how Capitalism collapses every ten years
Effective in every regard
Nonsense
If the USSR only came to rival the US economy
You're missing the point
Which is?
Like I get it, Capitalism has created a culture which prioritizes consumption and the glorification of buying a lot of stuff
My concern is not with getting people luxuries
my god
Let's look at the USSR again, it started as a backwards semi-feudal country under the Tsarist regime which has chronic famine, like all pre-industrial societies. Through the development of industry famine was eventually eliminated, literacy went up to near perfect numbers, everyone was employed
It wasn't a luxurious life, but those people who would have been living under a capitalist system at the bottom, those who would be starving, homeless and illiterate we're educated, fed and housed. That's what I care about. I don't care about someone's ability to have fancy cars, gold watches or other meaningless and superfluous nonsense, I care about what happens to the people on the bottom
spit it out