Message from @Enigmatic★Chromatic
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They were owned by collectives, not the state
There were also co-operatives in the USSR
Three different kinds of property
State, Collectives and Co-Operatives, and during certain periods even private property existed
how does a collective own something
The entirety of who works the place makes decisions on how it will be run and such
hmm
So a democratic corporation?
In this case they still worked under commodity production so how the money they received from their products would be used was decided by meetings and such, if they were too large, likely by vote
Yeah I guess o was basically saying that
That seems wildly inefficient
In the case of state own industries they would election one of their co-workers to the soviets, actually I think all work places would election representatives to the soviets to represent them
Not really, considering the GDP nearly rivalled the USA on a number of occasions
Usually managers are elected as well
So it's not like bosses don't exist, it's that everyone have power in the work place and your boss is accountable to you
As a Marxist the existence of authority or a boss is not my concern
What's the point then
If the soviet system only ever rivaled the US
Clearly the US did something better
Better in what respect?
But the US didn't collapse
And it wasn't an authoritarian dictatorship
Technically neither did the USSR
Oh the USSR wasn't a dictatorship either
The USSR never collapsed?
Both are Authoritarian however
No it was dissolved by Yeltsin
In fact a vote to keep the USSR had people vote in iver whelming numbers across all the SSRs and the RSFSR to maintain it
However the bureaucracy couldn't profit from the organization of the USSR and needed to open up the markets such that they could benefit
Ok cool
So the USSR was forcefully dissolved
But again if the capitalist system is just effective then why change it
Effective in what regard?
Currently the only argument is muh exploitation
I didn't get into how Capitalism collapses every ten years
Effective in every regard
Nonsense
If the USSR only came to rival the US economy
You're missing the point
Which is?