Message from @Obungus
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I wouldn't consider the disgusting amounts of over production by Capitalism "better"
But the US didn't collapse
And it wasn't an authoritarian dictatorship
Technically neither did the USSR
Oh the USSR wasn't a dictatorship either
The USSR never collapsed?
Both are Authoritarian however
No it was dissolved by Yeltsin
In fact a vote to keep the USSR had people vote in iver whelming numbers across all the SSRs and the RSFSR to maintain it
However the bureaucracy couldn't profit from the organization of the USSR and needed to open up the markets such that they could benefit
Ok cool
So the USSR was forcefully dissolved
But again if the capitalist system is just effective then why change it
Effective in what regard?
Currently the only argument is muh exploitation
I didn't get into how Capitalism collapses every ten years
Effective in every regard
Nonsense
If the USSR only came to rival the US economy
You're missing the point
Like I get it, Capitalism has created a culture which prioritizes consumption and the glorification of buying a lot of stuff
My concern is not with getting people luxuries
my god
Let's look at the USSR again, it started as a backwards semi-feudal country under the Tsarist regime which has chronic famine, like all pre-industrial societies. Through the development of industry famine was eventually eliminated, literacy went up to near perfect numbers, everyone was employed
It wasn't a luxurious life, but those people who would have been living under a capitalist system at the bottom, those who would be starving, homeless and illiterate we're educated, fed and housed. That's what I care about. I don't care about someone's ability to have fancy cars, gold watches or other meaningless and superfluous nonsense, I care about what happens to the people on the bottom
spit it out
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So you believe in a nanny state
The people worked
It wasn't *welfare*
In fact I would say welfare is entirely unnecessary if you have socialism
If people earned in full what they produced, if people had a say in their working lives, then welfare is not necessary
Welfare is a band-aid for Capitalism when it fails, or when communists get uppity
FDR in order to do the new deal said, "if we don't give them this much, they'll take everything you have"
As the threat or communist revolution was a very real thing during the great depression
@Enigmatic★Chromatic would you mind watching a video
3min long
Uh, sure
watch it <:Dude:459545653031469068>
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