In fact a vote to keep the USSR had people vote in iver whelming numbers across all the SSRs and the RSFSR to maintain it

However the bureaucracy couldn't profit from the organization of the USSR and needed to open up the markets such that they could benefit

Ok cool

So the USSR was forcefully dissolved

But again if the capitalist system is just effective then why change it

Effective in what regard?

Currently the only argument is muh exploitation

I didn't get into how Capitalism collapses every ten years

Effective in every regard

Nonsense

If the USSR only came to rival the US economy

You're missing the point

Which is?

Like I get it, Capitalism has created a culture which prioritizes consumption and the glorification of buying a lot of stuff

My concern is not with getting people luxuries

my god

Let's look at the USSR again, it started as a backwards semi-feudal country under the Tsarist regime which has chronic famine, like all pre-industrial societies. Through the development of industry famine was eventually eliminated, literacy went up to near perfect numbers, everyone was employed

It wasn't a luxurious life, but those people who would have been living under a capitalist system at the bottom, those who would be starving, homeless and illiterate we're educated, fed and housed. That's what I care about. I don't care about someone's ability to have fancy cars, gold watches or other meaningless and superfluous nonsense, I care about what happens to the people on the bottom

spit it out

ah

So you believe in a nanny state

The people worked

It wasn't *welfare*

In fact I would say welfare is entirely unnecessary if you have socialism

If people earned in full what they produced, if people had a say in their working lives, then welfare is not necessary

Welfare is a band-aid for Capitalism when it fails, or when communists get uppity

FDR in order to do the new deal said, "if we don't give them this much, they'll take everything you have"

As the threat or communist revolution was a very real thing during the great depression

@Enigmatic★Chromatic would you mind watching a video

3min long

Uh, sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFKnUlb4NQY

watch it <:Dude:459545653031469068>

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@Enigmatic★Chromatic Your argument is very strange. Just because you cannot achieve equality, does not mean Marxists do not make it as a goal. Your argument is that Marx was ok with some inequality. That is like saying that capitalists are not completely capitalists because they think human labour has value too.

_"The secret of the expression of value, namely, that all kinds of labour are equal and equivalent, because, and so far as they are human labour in general, cannot be deciphered, until the notion of human equality has already acquired the fixity of a popular prejudice. This, however, is possible only in a society in which the great mass of the produce of labour takes the form of commodities, in which, consequently, the dominant relation between man and man, is that of owners of commodities."_

_"The necessity for a generalisation of the Factory Acts, for transforming them from an exceptional
law relating to mechanical spinning and weaving – those first creations of machinery – into a law
affecting social production as a whole, arose, as we have seen, from the mode in which modern
industry was historically developed. In the rear of that industry, the traditional form of
manufacture, of handicraft, and of domestic industry, is entirely revolutionised; manufactures are
constantly passing into the factory system, and handicrafts into manufactures; and lastly, the
spheres of handicraft and of the domestic industries become, in a, comparatively speaking,
wonderfully short time, dens of misery in which capitalistic exploitation obtains free play for the
wildest excesses. There are two circumstances that finally turn the scale: first, the constantly
recurring experience that capital, so soon as it finds itself subject to legal control at one point,
compensates itself all the more recklessly at other points;233 secondly, the cry of the capitalists for
equality in the conditions of competition, i.e., for equal restrain on all exploitation of labour.234"_

just watch it brah

Both these quotes are by Marx, wherein he declares equality to be his goal

Also, I think you are seeing too much of Cuck Philosophy. lol

The first quote I can tell you now is about the Law of Value not communism

That is Marx's "third thing" argument

_"until the notion of human equality has already acquired the fixity of a popular prejudice"_

did you watch the video