Message from @Obungus

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2018-10-23 16:30:02 UTC  

Actually this is false

2018-10-23 16:30:04 UTC  

enough with the theories and what SHOULD be

2018-10-23 16:30:16 UTC  

Collective farms for example we're collective, not public, property

2018-10-23 16:30:25 UTC  

They were owned by collectives, not the state

2018-10-23 16:31:41 UTC  

There were also co-operatives in the USSR

2018-10-23 16:31:47 UTC  

Three different kinds of property

2018-10-23 16:32:11 UTC  

State, Collectives and Co-Operatives, and during certain periods even private property existed

2018-10-23 16:33:39 UTC  

how does a collective own something

2018-10-23 16:36:43 UTC  

The entirety of who works the place makes decisions on how it will be run and such

2018-10-23 16:37:25 UTC  

hmm

2018-10-23 16:37:34 UTC  

So a democratic corporation?

2018-10-23 16:38:31 UTC  

In this case they still worked under commodity production so how the money they received from their products would be used was decided by meetings and such, if they were too large, likely by vote

2018-10-23 16:38:39 UTC  

Yeah I guess o was basically saying that

2018-10-23 16:39:22 UTC  

That seems wildly inefficient

2018-10-23 16:39:28 UTC  

In the case of state own industries they would election one of their co-workers to the soviets, actually I think all work places would election representatives to the soviets to represent them

2018-10-23 16:41:30 UTC  

Not really, considering the GDP nearly rivalled the USA on a number of occasions

2018-10-23 16:41:57 UTC  

Usually managers are elected as well

2018-10-23 16:42:32 UTC  

So it's not like bosses don't exist, it's that everyone have power in the work place and your boss is accountable to you

2018-10-23 16:42:51 UTC  

As a Marxist the existence of authority or a boss is not my concern

2018-10-23 16:42:57 UTC  

What's the point then

2018-10-23 16:43:12 UTC  

If the soviet system only ever rivaled the US

2018-10-23 16:43:34 UTC  

Clearly the US did something better

2018-10-23 16:43:56 UTC  

Better in what respect?

2018-10-23 16:44:36 UTC  

I wouldn't consider the disgusting amounts of over production by Capitalism "better"

2018-10-23 16:45:49 UTC  

But the US didn't collapse

2018-10-23 16:46:00 UTC  

And it wasn't an authoritarian dictatorship

2018-10-23 16:46:03 UTC  

Technically neither did the USSR

2018-10-23 16:46:12 UTC  

Oh the USSR wasn't a dictatorship either

2018-10-23 16:46:16 UTC  

The USSR never collapsed?

2018-10-23 16:46:19 UTC  

Both are Authoritarian however

2018-10-23 16:46:28 UTC  

No it was dissolved by Yeltsin

2018-10-23 16:47:12 UTC  

In fact a vote to keep the USSR had people vote in iver whelming numbers across all the SSRs and the RSFSR to maintain it

2018-10-23 16:48:02 UTC  

However the bureaucracy couldn't profit from the organization of the USSR and needed to open up the markets such that they could benefit

2018-10-23 16:48:13 UTC  

Ok cool

2018-10-23 16:48:14 UTC  

So the USSR was forcefully dissolved

2018-10-23 16:48:33 UTC  

But again if the capitalist system is just effective then why change it

2018-10-23 16:48:46 UTC  

Effective in what regard?

2018-10-23 16:48:54 UTC  

Currently the only argument is muh exploitation

2018-10-23 16:48:57 UTC  

I didn't get into how Capitalism collapses every ten years

2018-10-23 16:49:02 UTC  

Effective in every regard

2018-10-23 16:49:11 UTC  

Nonsense