personally I'd rather have a small circle of friends and family

so just having a gf would probably satisfy that need

but that is jsut me

this is more about the sort of effect on society we have to make

the fertility rate is low, that's why all these people want to have a ton of immigration, to preserve our future, we have to make sure we are the ones having children and making our society better

Things are more prosperous now than ever before. Yet people are far less happy on average. What has changed? The role of the family and local community

prosperous in perhaps a material sense

obviously

god I'm starting to feel guilty for my plans xD

hahaha

@IntAnon Building a strong and beautiful family is the main project of a lot of women. Think about little girls, playing with fake babies, playing "family", dreaming of the Prince Charming. Every woman carries that in her heart but due to society's circumstances, women are pushed to be tougher, to be working women, to have the same aspirations as man. In fact, we can see that women are getting more masculine by the day by their attitude, way of dressing,... And men are becoming more feminine, more in their attitude of course : problems to take a decision, afraid of commitment, less hardworking than the past generations, more worried about their appearance,...

I understand that it would be best to but I really really really really don't want children

Don't feel forced. I think It will just come very naturally

How old are you ?

yeah the media influence is to make women have to feel like they need to have these high roles like CEO and "you can do everything they can", but I think this sort of stuff harms women more than anything

But should I feel guilty if I still don't want that when I'm 40?

we have the gender roles for a reason

how do you know you won't?

You should never feel guilty

haha

Yeah I think it's more of a team effort between husband and wife; what was once the man's projects becomes their projects -- and vice versa. So it's about combining into one unit thats way more powerful than before, rather than fighting over what gets focus

perhaps you have another mission in life, it has to come naturally 😃

@Donut Steel Tendies what do you mean im a huge supporter!

In terms of gender roles I think some men will want to go for feminine things and vice versa and I think that's fine

it's not exactly a natural thing though, it's a byproduct of the media influence and that kind of thing

@-stupidface- I may have misunderstood what your username+avatar meant :p

Probably it's natural, but I'm sure things are very exaggerated due to external influences

@Donut Steel Tendies this is my name because i don't give a fuck...and thats my picture because HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

these people are pushing this stuff, we have to assert that this is not what is best for us

It's fine, if you put them in a jungle at age 5 and they become like that alone. It's not fine when it's completely planned and pushed by the media

There have always been outliers in all societies and I think it's fine

but things definitely have gotten to an insane level nowadays

what's not fine is when poeple are pushed into being outliers

the outlier has become the norm

at least that's what they're trying

I'm saying that as someone with traditionally very masculine interests and hobbies

Every thing that's natural is fine, if people are not in the "norm" just because they are like that it's totally fine and beautiful. It's not beautiful when it has been pushed on them by 10000 external sources

I wonder who's behind all these external forces 🤔

THE JUUUICEEEE

anyways, we definitely need to find a good people to enter a union with and have lots of children

@IntAnon people hell bent on destroying the civilized western world.