I've heard something named like Romeo is a good budget optic.

What? And how do you recon that? Learning a red dot is way easier, sure. But it's an aid. How would it not be better to learn Irons first?

Reminds me of the fundamentals of Kali / Escrima. They start with armed combat and move to unarmed after someone is experienced, as at the time, they needed to train people how to effectively fight the Spaniards, then working on the more difficult and less used unarmed combat later.

My whole thing is. Irons are your backups, if your dot goes down, you need to know how to use your Irons.

anyone have any good advice on chem gear any places they bought from for gas masks gloves hoods and all that jazz

So learn on Irons, then move to dots

Oh uhhh, shit. One second Kai

@Bogs_Bunny yea the sig Romeo is a decent low cost red dot.

When staying cheap Vortex and Primary arms are your best friend entry lvl red dots/prisms/LVPOs

Guys my plates are almost here, I'm spying on the UPS man on their map lol

I am big brother lol

What ya get

Shellback IV plates

They shipped fast af, next day they were headed my way

That reminds me I need to check the mail.

Holosun makes good ones from what I hear

http://approvedgasmasks.com/mask-gas.htm

And this one is basically just Israeli masks, but here.

https://www.rddusa.com/product-category/gas-mask/

Just make sure you don't buy the shitty russian ones.

i heard th russian gp-7 are ok

You heard lies.

Personally, the lowest one that I'd trust. Is the Israeli civilian mask. Just make sure you have a newer filter.

If a red dot is an ‘aid’ then so are irons?
Why the fuck would we make shooters learn on a harder system, that is outdated? Irons fail too?

Ehh, I dunno. It just seems better to have that understanding of how they work first, of course that's opinion and we don't have to agree 100%. But it's important to know both, whichever one you decide to start with, don't neglect the other.

I would like optics with backup irons.. eventually. Getting a gun obviously comes first. My damn $1200 hasn't arrived yet.

I genuinely think that learning irons *first* makes you a worse shooter with a red dot

Thats what I run, red dot with offset irons
Incase I fuck up my redot somehow

That's an interesting view... no idea why. I had zero problems moving to dot dots after irons, lol

I only use offsets if I'm running a scope. I use flip ups otherwise.

Offsets offer a higher chance of getting snagged on something or bumped.

I have flip up but run a magifier

Hell, if you have a micro dot you can put that on a 45 offset mount

Training yourself to use multiple focal planes builds a habit of not being threat focused

ACOG, offset T1, KAC backup, peq, OKW

That Gucci wire lol

What wire hanger you running lol

A 3rd hole. That’s a work gun

The military likes us to wire our optics down.

@Sparrow i know the russian ones are obviously cheaply made and the gp-5 filters have asbestos but i mean would it still be safe to use the gp-7 as long as it seals? or is there a bigger problem with them that im missing

Anybody have experience with Enola Gaye smoke grenades? Do they provide actual concealment?