Can we talk about this...

While we all know this was to compare Witmer to being a Nazi, the left takes these at face value and makes it easier for them to call us Nazis

which is retarded

you cant protest in any meaningful way without the left twisting your words

you say a slogan like dont tread on me or come and take it they scoff and ignore you

Agreed. Unfortunately this is an expression of contempt and it's always going to be a problem countering those who, lets be honest, view us as Nazis and are only going to use those images that prove their point. They arent looking to be persuades or informed, theyve made up their mind already
We can only really influence those who have an interest in finding the truth

Not those who "already know the truth"

right but we are at odd with those idiots trying to convince the same people

how many moderates are ven left?

whats a moderates point of view even boil down to these days? taxes, immigration, guns, and healthcare?

Then our job is to be more persuasive. And make our points without needed to defame the other side. That's just calling them names and the people looking for the truth will see it as two sides niether of which is saying anything close tonthe truth just beating eachother up

Their argument is really " we're right because the other side is Nazis" we have to counter with " these are the reasons that demonstrate that what we're saying is right"

Take a trump-esk approach to it. " but what about the people who say your Nazis for not believing xyz"
Answer : what about them? What exactly is it that they believe, besides that we're nazis for not buying what they're selling?"

I think showing we're not just a bunch of right wing extremists is important. Shit, I'm an anarchist. Edit: There's a pretty big variety of people involved.

"I agree. I think the push has got to be towards demonstrating that we, the b--g community, are not violent extremist who spend our time larping with machine guns and demonstrating our white privilege. We need to show that we are the ones practicing diversity and believe that liberty, real liberty is and must be the foundation of everything day life" - @John Public

My bad. First time ive used that word and I usually do better at self censorship. Won't happen again

Ban @John Public

Lol

Lol

It's all good. But diversity in and of itself is not necessarily a virtue as is diversity of thought.

That is the best diversity, the only one that really matters but we will always face the problem of "your all just angry white men" label unless and until we can demonstrate the popular ideal of "racial" diversity

If we pull something like that we will lose a bunch of the conservative base, of course that is not to say that ethnic minorities should not be included.

I've been talking to black folks on Facebook upset about Ahmaud's death. Planting seeds in their minds that we're in this together.

"planting seeds" you make it sound so sinister

And I dont believe we should be going for the tokenism that so many movements fall into. But I firmly believe that our values are shared by more people, of all kinds, than not. I just think alot of people are 1. Uninformed either intentionally or as a productbof nurture/nature and 2. Afraid of going against what is presented by the MSM as the prevailing wisdom or popular opinion.
It's human nature to not wabtvto make waves. The people who do get noticed, and those who are noticed are the ones with little red dots on their foreheads. Its always easier to go along go get along.

Planting seeds shouldn't be seen as sinister. Its how the tree of knowledge gets started. You can't dump the truth of the world on someone and expect anything other than rejection. Again, human nature

true

@John Public oh hey, any word on kids sizes clothing?

Yeah so despite me being 110% behimd it, she is..... Less than thrilled. I see her point and again, if I were the one dressing them, hell yeah but looks like daddy lost another one. Ain't gonna stop me from ordering mine tho. And I might even get her one lol

Lol all good. Yeah I totally understand not wanting children wearing what I sell 😂

I think they make greatbkids clothes. But she's al "what will people think" and "you want them to wear what??"
Women

We need to make sure we have a presence at every protest for Sean Reed and Ahmaud Arbery. Show we’re against brutality no matter the race

Lol I was sitting here wondering how we make our affiliation known, then it struck me. Wear our trademark Hawaiian shirts to the protests, duh.

so that begs the question @Pat.Henry

whats our patch going to be?

Doesn’t have to be our main patch but I think it would be cool to make some patches or flags with what was shared earlier

Maybe minus the confederate flag cap and less “thuggish” attributes. Just something to show unity in race

How can we improve this

I like the original one