"Optics" is probably the most overused word in the world at this point.

What's the point of optics when your enemies, who have complete control over the mainstream media, as well as major alternatives to them, would call you the same thing anyways, no matter your action?

Slander you in the same way and ruin your life just the same.

It has very little to do with "optics", and saying 'Screw it, they're going to call us nazis anyways" is *exactly* the strategy your adversaries want you to pursue.

You are just relegating yourself and interning yourself in a metaphorical prison everytime you use that mentality to justify the indulgence.

No, I am not pursuing a failed ideology if the past, I only posted a book from which it had influence. James fields Jr was charged and convicted on the basis of media slander and a rigged court system, not evidence, what do you think will happen to you?

This has nothing to do with Fields.

I thought we were talking about optics, correct? That is a case where optics mattered so little because we do not control the narrative, such that it does not matter what we discuss.

All the evidence was in complete defence of fields but because of what the media said and they convicted him on blatant false charges.

Why are we talking about Fields still?

And no, I wish people would in fact stop using the word "optics."

@Caboose 👀 quiet please

I was accused of bad optics and that is such a phrase to defer discussion or action. While I think actions and discussion should be well thought out, it should also be genuine, rather then suppressed because of fear of the enemy. I'm not discussing violence or anything that could be considered as such, only a book with historical significance.

The promotion of which has nothing to do with what we are building and is in fact detrimental to what we are building

And let's not just call MK a mere book of "historical significance" either lol

Stop typing @Caboose

Thank you

ok @Phillip Wiglesworth - FL @Matthias looking forward to seeing ya'll at the conference

What about Mussolini's 'My Life' is that aslo banned?

Didn't you just say you weren't interested in reviving causes of the past?

Which is it?

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I'm bringing up books of historical significance with regard to the second world war, which was my intention and as well as the context.

That's great, but it has nothing to do with and is in fact detrimental to IE so we don't want it in our platforms.

Everyone else here is onboard with that.

I was responding to someone who had stated they needed a book gift for their friend who has interest in WWII so I posted that and was going to post various books about it, not just ones from the axis perspective.

I was also going to post a book Patton wrote.

It’s R4, brother. We cannot have that stuff here on our platforms. Read whatever you want. Make private suggestions of books - in DM’s if you want. But here, IE, the org does not allow any NS or Third Reich materials on our platforms in any capacity.

Matt made it clear, but in case it wasn’t...I’ve made it clear at this time.

And specifically, because someone asks that question does not absolve the standards as they exist.

Okay, I understand, I apologise for the infraction. Do what you will, I am not the judge or jury.

Thank you

You'll be out in 18 hours.

@Gibson

After warning you, you continued being snide and rude to people in the server. You're in here for 48 hours.

@Sam Southern - TN The moderation team, with guidance from leadership, has decided to go ahead and remove your posting privileges for a minimum of 48 hours. There are numerous reprimands to your name for infractions we really cannot allow to go further without some form of higher action taken to show you that the organization really asks better of our members, and in some circumstances, require it. Please take this time to carefully consider your actions and things you say, which are indeed unacceptable.

If you wish to discuss it further, you may either DM me, your state coordinator, or ask here in this channel if you are comfortable with that conversation being somewhat "public" among all of leadership.

Interesting choice, okay.

It's a choice you were warned about by Tyler though, so you can't say you didn't know this was a possibility.

Not a big deal, no sense in anyone getting too impassioned over this, but we have to tighten the ship holistically when it comes to Discord and the cultural effects on the organization certain mindsets and behavior cause.

I was unaware the dissident right treated the word faggot as unbecoming, so I didn’t take that into account.

Not sure who would actually.

Second most recent infringement was equally ridiculous as the word nigga is identical to the word nibba with the added 🅱 meme. I disagree with the decisions, but I don’t make the rules.