Message from @luduma
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Kees Streefkerk Civil 1 October 2004 1955
Are you one of these "hard working" Netherlanders that are going to be hurt by this deal? @luduma
Being a Traveler, you seem like you're pretty well off, no?
Just wondering how you think this will hurt people over there
This is the new version of Cubans in America complaining about Castro taking away their plantations
wow just saw the biggest negative karma on reddit
- 15.9k
I now fully understand the significance of that reddit post you shared
Haha
The -15.9k didn't quite resonate with me
Now I understand
@Dr.Cosby
Well would you be happy if you have to get a heat pump, electric cars, etc.
And every penny spent on this, is less money for reduced taxes, better education, better defence, better salary for police officers or teachers, etc.
I mean, electric cars are awesome, sure
That other stuff sounds pretty good too
As for less money going to things that you think are more important: there is your first real argument
And it's a valid one - because it's tough to estimate the benefits of something like "reducing emissions"
But just because it's tough, doesn't mean there aren't smart people who haven't done it.
For example, I'm not sure that "better defense" is more important for the Netherlands than this climate change stuff
Nor reduced taxes, and perhaps even the reduced salaries (don't your public servants actually get paid decently over there? It's in the US that they get shafted as far as I know)
The US pays the most and it's Trump who wants the rest to pay 2% of their GDP, not "enough" @luduma
It's an agreement that everyone pays a certain amount of money
For an alliance that some European parties and groups are reconsidering its purpose or focus their payments on other services
for the US, NATO was never about economics. It was a bribe to get them into our security plans. They would up their spending if NATO did something more constructive
For the US, it's smarter if we discourage Europe from having an arms race with itself
as with everywhere else. If Pax Americana goes, the old imperial style trading blocs will return
imperialism is dead for the western world permanently as I see it.
Well imperialism as in actual colonization and conquest is over, but a new era of neo-colonialism is in full swing with large Western companies exploiting the third world for profit
GG @The Meme Lord, you just advanced to level 3!
If you regard that as a real thing, which I don't
See Confessions of an Economic Hitman
most left-populism around the world is aimed at the IMF
It happens inside Europe, too. Germany takes advantage of Hungary, Romania, etc. A Romanian lawmaker wrote a good op-ed on it recently, detailing the capital flows
situation in Europe vis-a-vis Greece and similar countries was predictable. It was the situation Germany set up with the EU and the Eurozone, because those countries can no longer devalue to handle their domestic debt and capital flows
IMF does the same thing for the entire Globe, basically
```Clotilde Armand is a Romanian MEP with the Renew Europe group. She is a member of the European Parliament’s budgets committee.```
```Between 2010 and 2016, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic or Slovakia received the equivalent of 2 percent to 4 percent of their GDP in EU funds. But the flow of capital exiting these countries over the same period was between 4 percent and close to 8 percent of GDP.```
Pretty sure she'd get raped if she went to any of those other places
She's doing what she can, mate