Message from @Platinum Spark

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2019-09-11 23:17:27 UTC  

it's also not a legitimate news source

2019-09-11 23:18:46 UTC  

It makes no claim on how many points it went up by

2019-09-11 23:19:03 UTC  

it straight up says those polls are considered outliers

2019-09-11 23:19:17 UTC  

and the numbers it cites are STILL very low approval ratings

2019-09-11 23:22:04 UTC  

It does though, it explains that both black and Hispanic approval ratings now have increased relative to the votes respective to these groups, and although these two things are obviously not synonyms they are still indicators of increased support.

2019-09-11 23:23:22 UTC  

I don't think it's a wild claim to suggest that if a person is receiving support then given things go smoothly this will be more or less reflected in the polls. But again, I do disagree with the declarative language in the article.

2019-09-11 23:24:28 UTC  

Also what exactly constitutes a "legitimate" news source?

2019-09-11 23:24:36 UTC  

it actually doesn't say they increased

2019-09-11 23:24:38 UTC  

it implies it

2019-09-11 23:25:14 UTC  

unbiased and, when you're talking about polls, statistically sound

2019-09-11 23:25:26 UTC  

you can tell from the beginning something's off with this article:

2019-09-11 23:25:42 UTC  

"despite shrill denunciations of the president by the Democrats for his alleged racism"

2019-09-11 23:25:54 UTC  

that's not something that a real news organization would write

2019-09-11 23:26:00 UTC  

that's what a conservative blog would write

2019-09-11 23:26:08 UTC  

and they totally have their place, don't get me wrong

2019-09-11 23:26:22 UTC  

but what they're doing here is trying to cherry-pick polls

2019-09-11 23:26:29 UTC  

look at this part:

2019-09-11 23:26:57 UTC  

"this, of course, which is why they have worked so diligently to discredit polls that confirm the president’s gains among minority voters."

2019-09-11 23:26:57 UTC  

GG @Platinum Spark, you just advanced to level 13!

2019-09-11 23:27:23 UTC  

Then not many things can be considered legitimate news, including CNN, Fox, and MSNBC

2019-09-11 23:27:55 UTC  

sure

2019-09-11 23:28:03 UTC  

I disagree with you, but sure let's throw out all three of those

2019-09-11 23:28:35 UTC  

when it comes to polling, 538 is probably the gold standard

2019-09-11 23:28:49 UTC  

but AP, WaPo, WSJ, NYT

2019-09-11 23:28:54 UTC  

these are real news organizations

2019-09-11 23:29:00 UTC  

CBS, ABC

2019-09-11 23:29:22 UTC  

here:

2019-09-11 23:29:38 UTC  

you can take a look at how media bias affects different news organizations

2019-09-11 23:30:01 UTC  

better link

2019-09-11 23:30:39 UTC  

anyway, lets go back to the article

2019-09-11 23:30:47 UTC  

in January of this year, Marist found that Trump’s approval rating among Hispanics had reached 50 percent. Then, in February, a Morning Consult poll showed Hispanic approval of the president at 42 percent. This was followed by a March poll from McLaughlin & Associates that found Hispanic approval for the president at 50 percent.

2019-09-11 23:30:49 UTC  

now notice

2019-09-11 23:30:56 UTC  

he's not talking about gain over one poll

2019-09-11 23:31:02 UTC  

that would be something you could compare across time like that

2019-09-11 23:31:17 UTC  

he's taking 3 poll results across 3 different polls

2019-09-11 23:31:41 UTC  

that show approval at or below 50%

2019-09-11 23:31:49 UTC  

with no comparison to where they were before

2019-09-11 23:32:15 UTC  

so he's not saying trump gained support with minorities, he's just saying this is the minority approval rating at 3 different points in time according to 3 different polls

2019-09-11 23:34:52 UTC  

You left out the detail of the article giving the months that the polls were taken in