Message from @NewRogernomics

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2020-01-08 05:20:36 UTC  

Both are pretty catastrophic world views.

2020-01-08 05:20:43 UTC  

who is repesenting the neoliberals in the trump foreign policy team

2020-01-08 05:21:18 UTC  

Those crashing and burning the EPA,etc. xD

2020-01-08 05:21:28 UTC  

those aren't neoliberals

2020-01-08 05:21:48 UTC  

and you said 'foreign policy'

2020-01-08 05:22:06 UTC  

Yeah they are. It is essentially the war lobby elite.

2020-01-08 05:22:45 UTC  

both have their views on war, but there are no neolibs in trump admin

2020-01-08 05:23:05 UTC  

There is a correlation between the fossil fuel die hards and the war lobby.

2020-01-08 05:23:09 UTC  

neolib foreign policy is lead by Richard Haass

2020-01-08 05:23:23 UTC  

EPA is lead by wheeler, definitely not a neoliberal

2020-01-08 05:24:01 UTC  

he's a former coal lobbyist

2020-01-08 05:24:36 UTC  

In what way? At the core of neo-liberal policy is to destroy the govt from within and make it dysfunctional for corporate elites.

2020-01-08 05:25:48 UTC  

That was literally the 1970s through to the 2000s. Still continues as well. Just shock therapy is less pushed these days.

2020-01-08 05:26:33 UTC  

the neolibs and neocons are very 'right' of Lefists and Progressives, but they aren't the same thing

2020-01-08 05:26:35 UTC  

And mass privatization is also their baby.

2020-01-08 05:27:23 UTC  

As are private armies like Blackwater or "Academia" as they call themselves now.

2020-01-08 05:28:50 UTC  

They formed a tight alliance of convenience over the Iraq and Afghanistan war, and are more than happy to plunge us into Iran.

2020-01-08 05:30:50 UTC  

Granted that there are still neo liberal dissidents, and they aren't as well polished as traditional neo libs.

2020-01-08 05:31:52 UTC  

But if you look at a lot of what they have done domestically, it falls into some general neo liberal policy aims.

2020-01-08 05:34:30 UTC  

the neolibs are against the china trade war and tariffs, the situation with canada, SALT deduction removal

2020-01-08 05:35:16 UTC  

But they are also supportive of unilateral wars that help them profit in other countries.

2020-01-08 05:35:16 UTC  

there really isnt that much trump has done domestically, or at all outside of huge major goofs

2020-01-08 05:35:47 UTC  

nah the main neolib foreign policy is the mistaken belief america can replicate itself in other countries and perserving the global liberal trade order

2020-01-08 05:35:51 UTC  

trump is 100% against that

2020-01-08 05:36:23 UTC  

They hate Trump still, but that doesn't mean they won't take a major feast like a war in Iran.

2020-01-08 05:36:37 UTC  

the main neolib is against it, Richard Haass

2020-01-08 05:36:55 UTC  

they aren't that stupid

2020-01-08 05:37:18 UTC  

bombing iran is what the neocons want

2020-01-08 05:38:33 UTC  

Who isn't even part of the neo liberal faction that don't honestly care, as long as they make a quick buck.

2020-01-08 05:40:30 UTC  

```Richard Haass worked for Secretary of State Colin Powell in the Bush administration and was Director of Policy Planning for the US State Department from 2001-2003 during the lead-up to the Iraq war. Haass has said he was 60 percent against the Iraq war.[6]```

2020-01-08 05:41:28 UTC  

Which doesn't make him the sort of pro-war neo liberal faction that Trump is fauning to.

2020-01-08 05:44:39 UTC  

Honestly kill Americans then it's fair game in my books. Same way if you kill a family member. I don't understand why Dems let Iran push us around for years and let the situation get to this point. This could've been handled forever ago but Obama had 0 stones when going about foreign policy.

2020-01-08 05:52:49 UTC  

For the same reason Trump didn't go to war with NK in his first 90 days, it will be a mess that might hurt his political career. No one likes to be President who loses a war or makes a costly one. However, Trump's overconfidence might push him into making that mistake with Iran.

2020-01-08 05:59:24 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513098339961798676/664347398713114655/ENuk4IHWwAEFUNL.jpg

2020-01-08 06:07:11 UTC  

I mean Iran is clearly wanting to provoke America to attack to claim the U.S is trying to be imperialistic

2020-01-08 06:07:49 UTC  

starve their people of food and medicine ends up with shit like this

2020-01-08 06:07:59 UTC  

Hard to do so

2020-01-08 06:08:35 UTC  

no, that's what we've been doing. US sanctions are doing that, killing people.

2020-01-08 06:08:44 UTC  

They share a waterway with Russia.

2020-01-08 06:10:35 UTC  

Pompeo has been trying to get a war with Iran going as long as he's been there

2020-01-08 06:10:55 UTC  

he wanted war when the drone was shot down and the oil field attacks. all he could talk about until Ukraine stuff