Im Christian. I think God made the universe. But your example was not valid

How?

I was just saying that just because you didn't see who made it doesn't mean that it was made by no one.

Opinions only carry weight at the end of a sword

Simple as

True opinions are determined on the battlefield

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Easily refuteable arguments @Cheeki Breeki

Let me get back home

@Cheeki Breeki That’s such a meme argument. The fact that existence is there doesn’t necessarily logically imply intelligent design

Lots of things have causes which don’t resemble an intelligent creator. You can explain how a ravine comes into being as the result of a river eroding earth over centuries, and there’s nothing intelligent or intentional about its creation, however complex the result might be

Also that’s another meme opinion and a misunderstanding of how physical force functions. Unless you’re an idealist and epistemic anti-realist, truth cannot be determined simply through superior physical force. @Pelth

It is actual smooth brain thinking.

Why are you saying that it is easily refutable without actually giving evidence against it. A hole in the ground isn't as complicated as a universe

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How

Was

The

Universe

Created?

And we know that the simple hole in the ground was created by water erosion because we see it. It really isn't that complex.

@Cheeki Breeki I think a prime mover can be rationalized through causality, but that prime mover doesn’t have to be an intelligent creator

All that can be rationed out with this line of reasoning is that something is responsible for the first action, and that thing may be acausal, it doesn’t however provide proof that this thing is God as you understand it

Yo

Like that’s how I understand God, but I understand an amoral acausal force as God, as opposed to a moral, intelligent creator concerned with our well-being

Or with much of anything because like I said I can’t even confirm if it’s intelligent

I think there's possibly some sort of powers beyond our universe and I have no evidence to back this up

@Cobra Commander same

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oh cool

@Cheeki Breeki

> Everything had to have been created by supernatural means

Propose something that is.

> Becaude 2 particles slamming together isn't going to create an explosion that creates everything as is

This is not what the big bang is, it is simply an expansion.

> You need 3 things in order to have a universe: time, space and matter.

No you don't, your friend is wrong and is not a physicist. We cannot conclude that these three things are needed for a universe, hence multiverse theory.

> If you gave time and matter, but no space, where are you going to put it?

Things like this already exist, they're called abstract properties, mathematics is an example of this.

> Saying the Earth is millions of years old makes no sense.

Why doesn't it make any sense? You didn't have the debate with me, nor can you propose your statement is correct.

Um

you just repeated what he siad bro

As for the builder analogy.

>:v

@⭐ trunks ⭐ No I picked out statements and criticised them

@Deleted User no you didnt

lol

what are you talkinng about

Yes I did.