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this is why both of you are so goddamn annoying
Sorry I wasn't up at 11:30 last night to argue my opinion, But God has to be real because there's no other way to explain it. Everything had to have been created by supernatural means because 2 particles slamming together isn't going to create an explosion that creates everything as is. And a friend of mine put it really nicely ". You need 3 things in order do have a universe: time, space, and matter. If you have time and space but no matter, then why are you going to put in it? If you have time and matter but no space , then where are you going to put everything? If you have matter in space but no time, when are you going to put everything. And The Bible answers that by saying in the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the Earth (matter).
And saying the Earth is like millions of years old Also makes no sense, I've already had the carbon dating debate on this server and won.
-----------------------INTERMISSION----------------Here's another argument, let's say you see a building across the street. You don't see the builders, you don't see any evidence that the builders were there, so what's to say that the pieces didn't just fall out of the sky and form a fully complete structure intricate with air conditioning, windows, heating, and more. That would be completely ridiculous to assume that they fell out of the sky right? So how is a house more complicated than an entire universe? So you can say that a house can't fall out of the sky and build itself but an entire universe can just come out of nothing.
Checkmate Athiest
Sorry theist. Thats not a very a analagous situation. We have many many examples of buildings and know people who make buildings for a living. The universe is singular as far as we know
And time and space are two sides of the same thing.
Christian too
>might makes right
Literal chimp
What do you mean "not a very analogous solution" what other way is there to explain it. How do you think everything came to be HMMMMM?
Im Christian. I think God made the universe. But your example was not valid
How?
I was just saying that just because you didn't see who made it doesn't mean that it was made by no one.
Opinions only carry weight at the end of a sword
Simple as
True opinions are determined on the battlefield
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Easily refuteable arguments @Cheeki Breeki
@Cheeki Breeki That’s such a meme argument. The fact that existence is there doesn’t necessarily logically imply intelligent design
Lots of things have causes which don’t resemble an intelligent creator. You can explain how a ravine comes into being as the result of a river eroding earth over centuries, and there’s nothing intelligent or intentional about its creation, however complex the result might be
Also that’s another meme opinion and a misunderstanding of how physical force functions. Unless you’re an idealist and epistemic anti-realist, truth cannot be determined simply through superior physical force. @Pelth
It is actual smooth brain thinking.
Why are you saying that it is easily refutable without actually giving evidence against it. A hole in the ground isn't as complicated as a universe
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How
Was
The
Universe
Created?
And we know that the simple hole in the ground was created by water erosion because we see it. It really isn't that complex.
@Cheeki Breeki I think a prime mover can be rationalized through causality, but that prime mover doesn’t have to be an intelligent creator
All that can be rationed out with this line of reasoning is that something is responsible for the first action, and that thing may be acausal, it doesn’t however provide proof that this thing is God as you understand it
Yo
Like that’s how I understand God, but I understand an amoral acausal force as God, as opposed to a moral, intelligent creator concerned with our well-being
Or with much of anything because like I said I can’t even confirm if it’s intelligent
I think there's possibly some sort of powers beyond our universe and I have no evidence to back this up
@Cobra Commander same
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