Message from @Puerto Rican Nelson
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Anyway, the illegals commit more crime meme is bullshit according the mainstream consesus. End of story.
I wouldn't be surprised at the crime situation, since you are worried about getting deported
Get picked up for shoplifting, end up deported
They would be wise to keep a low profile
same for getting into a bar fight or getting the cops called on them by their boss, etc
it isn't tho proportionally when compared to the natives, the articles I've seen stating that only provide raw numbers disregarding proportionality
I've seen some they suggest strongly they commit crimes at lower rates , but that might be for the above effect
deport the bad ones, I'm fine with that. Deporting all of them hurts our economy local and national for no real gain.
CATO says the US gov stats are incomplete regarding the nationality of criminals
I would deport them all and expand legal immigration
The immigration system needs to be more streamlined as well
There is no reason for letting people that border hop stay, that's just going to invite more waves, like previous amnesties did, look at Spain
The 'hurting the economy' part would have to be shown at a far more granualar level than the gains in say capital growth from paying illegal employees much less
illegal aliens might RAISE the crime rate of NATIVES by that measure
if illegals take jobs that poor natives would have, those natives might end up committing more crimes than they would if they were employed
Yes, that's the cato article i read and referred to
```This issue will be resolved when states and localities keep better records of the immigration statuses of people convicted in their states – just like Texas does. The crime data are so complicated and inconsistently kept that even the government misinterprets its own data. The government should resolve these data issues.```
What data do you have that concludes illegals take jobs from natives? Because I've never seen it.
```Illegal immigration to the United States in recent decades has tended to depress both
wages and employment rates for low-skilled American citizens, a disproportionate
number of whom are black men. Expert economic opinions concerning the negative
effects range from modest to significant. Those panelists that found modest effects
overall nonetheless found significant effects in industry sectors such as meatpacking
and construction. [Approved (5-1): Chairman Reynolds and Commissioners Gaziano,
Heriot, Kirsanow, and Taylor voted in favor; Commissioner Yaki voted against.]```
the studies use legal migration
there is no definitive, concrete proof that god exists or that he doesn't exist
there is simply no way you can possible prove that he is or isn't there
There isn't even a little bit of proof that God exists.
well, if you don't know how exactly everything began, you can't really say
When there isn't proof for something, you don't believe it. You don't "equally" believe that it exists or doesn't when you don't have "proof" either way.
It's called the burden of proof
i'm not saying that i believe in god, because i don't, but i'm just saying there isn't any way *currently* but we might be able to in the future
Well sure, it's possible we'll discover more evidence in the future
Yes, I'm hopeful for that day to come soon
Me
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Meaningful discourse I see^^^^