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I dunno how we can have accurate statistics about their contributions when they are working under the table, by default

maybe the gangs eating babies actually contribute to the government with taxes

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That's the problem, and the problem with that Yale study is that there's no consideration as to whether or not the phantom 11 million additional illegal immigrants have also committed crimes or not. It's presupposing that they don't.

the logic of it is that if there are more illegals than assumed, the proportion of crime has gone down relative to the population

yeah proportionally

@Cobra Commander It doesn't find any further crimes to attribute to them.

I know, but again it's not accounting for their own possible criminality. Let's say that these people have been in the United States and not known to be illegal immigrants, but a number of them have committed crimes. If you're adding this amount of people to the known illegal immigrants population, that's going to also reflect on the crime rate.

but if they were then the crime statistics would increase

Until you find more crimes committed, they can't make that call.

Anyway, the illegals commit more crime meme is bullshit according the mainstream consesus. End of story.

I wouldn't be surprised at the crime situation, since you are worried about getting deported

Get picked up for shoplifting, end up deported

They would be wise to keep a low profile

same for getting into a bar fight or getting the cops called on them by their boss, etc

it isn't tho proportionally when compared to the natives, the articles I've seen stating that only provide raw numbers disregarding proportionality

I've seen some they suggest strongly they commit crimes at lower rates , but that might be for the above effect

deport the bad ones, I'm fine with that. Deporting all of them hurts our economy local and national for no real gain.

CATO says the US gov stats are incomplete regarding the nationality of criminals

I would deport them all and expand legal immigration

The immigration system needs to be more streamlined as well

There is no reason for letting people that border hop stay, that's just going to invite more waves, like previous amnesties did, look at Spain

The 'hurting the economy' part would have to be shown at a far more granualar level than the gains in say capital growth from paying illegal employees much less

illegal aliens might RAISE the crime rate of NATIVES by that measure

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-crime-what-research-says

if illegals take jobs that poor natives would have, those natives might end up committing more crimes than they would if they were employed

Yes, that's the cato article i read and referred to

```This issue will be resolved when states and localities keep better records of the immigration statuses of people convicted in their states – just like Texas does. The crime data are so complicated and inconsistently kept that even the government misinterprets its own data. The government should resolve these data issues.```

What data do you have that concludes illegals take jobs from natives? Because I've never seen it.

https://www.usccr.gov/pubs/docs/IllegImmig_10-14-10_430pm.pdf

gotta go make the daily bread, I'll check it later, ty.

```Illegal immigration to the United States in recent decades has tended to depress both
wages and employment rates for low-skilled American citizens, a disproportionate
number of whom are black men. Expert economic opinions concerning the negative
effects range from modest to significant. Those panelists that found modest effects
overall nonetheless found significant effects in industry sectors such as meatpacking
and construction. [Approved (5-1): Chairman Reynolds and Commissioners Gaziano,
Heriot, Kirsanow, and Taylor voted in favor; Commissioner Yaki voted against.]```

the studies use legal migration

there is no definitive, concrete proof that god exists or that he doesn't exist

there is simply no way you can possible prove that he is or isn't there

There isn't even a little bit of proof that God exists.

well, if you don't know how exactly everything began, you can't really say

When there isn't proof for something, you don't believe it. You don't "equally" believe that it exists or doesn't when you don't have "proof" either way.

It's called the burden of proof

i'm not saying that i believe in god, because i don't, but i'm just saying there isn't any way *currently* but we might be able to in the future