Also its not a clinical fact that babies just magically gain sentience or awareness at 4 weeks on the dot

why does cognitive awareness matter? @wuzamarine

Why does that make it human or not?

Well I'd imagine what makes us human is our dna

People in comas arent cognitively aware

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Thats when there is a memory to lose. That's when they feel real pain.

Any law is a moral law idk what you mean

@Sauropithicus they generally once were.

How does that determine if it's human or not? @wuzamarine

Morally based law *

Ok well that means nothing

It once was?

Well the dead person was once sentient so hes alive

No, doesnt follow

@Sauropithicus
Bullpuckey. All laws are not moral laws.
Murder is not a moral law. Murder has a victim. It's common law.
Not buying booze on sundays or FOSTA are moral laws.

@Sauropithicus I didn't argue that. A person that fell into a coma had sentience prior, and if he recovers retains it still (depending on the condition of course).

@Puerto Rican Nelson what is your point then?

@Sauropithicus sentience and able to examine our decisions and lot in life is the human experience, that's all.

@wuzamarine semantics, but ok, I should make myself more aware of legal terminology and that sort of thing, I'll grant you. Sorry if i misused a term but I think you get my point that any law is made based off of a moral judgment

nope. common laws is rooted in math

I lost 1, is the typical equation.

@Puerto Rican Nelson I dont think sentience is a good definition of what makes a human a human. Once again, coma example. I think DNA is the best measure of whether someone is a human or not

You can't explain that murder is immoral with a mathematical equation

@Sauropithicus if we want to stay strictly to the animal kingdom I guess

You could make a utilitarian argument perhaps, but Im not interested in utilitarian ethics, I find that shit disturbing

@Sauropithicus Murder is only immoral when authorized by the wrong party.

Utilitarian ethics can justify a whole bunch of crazy shit, lets just stick to the NAP bro

Murder is immoral

When murder is defined as aggressive killing of another individual

key word aggressive

But all murder is immoral

There is no such thing as justified murder, if its justified killing, it isnt accurate to call it murder

Tell that to any typical Marine.
I used to get medals for the deed

Well if what you did was moral, I wouldnt call it murder

GG @Sauropithicus, you just advanced to level 3!

killing can be moral, but if it is then it isnt murder

The plaque at 1st USMC Div Recon read "Killing people is our business"

Killing people can be justified

Got milk

@Sauropithicus do you believe in a morally neutral homicide?

Murder is only immoral when authorized by the wrong party. That is just a fact.