Who cares about cognitive awareness?

@Sauropithicus formation of a functioning nervous system and organs, brain activity, heartbeat. The vast majority of abortions are done before any of that. I would argue for exceptions if the Festus is severely defected.

Why does that matter?

Why is cognative awareness significant

You said memory?

Why does that matter at all?

@Sauropithicus Morals have nothing to do with it. It is a clinical fact.
Morals change by the zip code and all moral laws backfire.

Why is it only not ok to abort after it has memory, not that I think we can accurately measure when a zygote gains sentience lol

Why does cognitive awareness matter?

Morals change by zipcode?

Laws *

I'm talking about morality not legality

Two separate concepts

is not congnitive awareness what makes us human?

@Sauropithicus
Moral laws/blue laws are pure tyranny.

Also its not a clinical fact that babies just magically gain sentience or awareness at 4 weeks on the dot

why does cognitive awareness matter? @wuzamarine

Why does that make it human or not?

Well I'd imagine what makes us human is our dna

People in comas arent cognitively aware

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Thats when there is a memory to lose. That's when they feel real pain.

Any law is a moral law idk what you mean

@Sauropithicus they generally once were.

How does that determine if it's human or not? @wuzamarine

Morally based law *

Ok well that means nothing

It once was?

Well the dead person was once sentient so hes alive

No, doesnt follow

@Sauropithicus
Bullpuckey. All laws are not moral laws.
Murder is not a moral law. Murder has a victim. It's common law.
Not buying booze on sundays or FOSTA are moral laws.

@Sauropithicus I didn't argue that. A person that fell into a coma had sentience prior, and if he recovers retains it still (depending on the condition of course).

@Puerto Rican Nelson what is your point then?

@Sauropithicus sentience and able to examine our decisions and lot in life is the human experience, that's all.

@wuzamarine semantics, but ok, I should make myself more aware of legal terminology and that sort of thing, I'll grant you. Sorry if i misused a term but I think you get my point that any law is made based off of a moral judgment

nope. common laws is rooted in math

I lost 1, is the typical equation.

@Puerto Rican Nelson I dont think sentience is a good definition of what makes a human a human. Once again, coma example. I think DNA is the best measure of whether someone is a human or not

You can't explain that murder is immoral with a mathematical equation

@Sauropithicus if we want to stay strictly to the animal kingdom I guess

You could make a utilitarian argument perhaps, but Im not interested in utilitarian ethics, I find that shit disturbing

@Sauropithicus Murder is only immoral when authorized by the wrong party.