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thats like any system

they never work out that great in practise 😉

So, while some kind of an overhaul of the system might make more sense, at least for shorter term solutions, playing with minimum wage is a way to offset some of the bad stuff

the issue is reforming a system completely just introduces new bad outcomes

That too. It's really tricky and full of variables

they may not be as bad in theory but they will still be there

and actually could end up worse

so sometimes its the devil you know

But as far as minimum wage goes - there are real tangible benefits. Some reported negatives as well, yes. But even if you use the "free market" model - the person you will be paying 15/hr is PROBABLY going to end up being a more valuable asset than the 7/hr guy anyways, no?

Like, you're gonna hire the best guy

And more money attracts better people

Will if fully compensate for itself? Probably not in many cases, tbh

so we do have the minimum wage though

But morally, it's good. And for society as a whole, it seems good. Your burger flipper is better at flipping his burgers (and all the other stuff that comes with the job), and he's going to have a better life, have better kids, etc

so i think a problem comes in when people expect that to be a "living" wage

its just not going to be

unless you live very frugally

But why not? Why not have the minimum be something that lets you live - again, everyone's definition of "comfortable" is different, but surely there are some basics that aren't hard to agree upon

Isn't it sadistic to have somebody work hard all day, and not be able to support themselves?

Stop imagining the lazy guy who wants to work as little as possible and wants to just "squeeze by" with handouts

Much more typical is the HARD WORKER who works 40+ hours per week

Why doesn't he deserve a comfortable life?

Oh y’all went on a ramble for hours, but now I’m home

He's not working any less than other people! In fact, many of those jobs are harder and require MORE work

Yea minimum wage is dumb

Alright, say something smart now.

You're religious too, so I know this is going to be Good and Smart.

Well. If you calculate your expenses per month or even per year, you’ll know what you need to be making. This is simply done with planning ahead, something that should be taught in schools. Something that I do to this day. I know how much I make minus taxes and then use that income to pay all my bills. If a citizen is struggling to make ends meet, he simply did not prepare. (Let’s excuse medical bills because that is a universal healthcare debate I’m not going to get into here.) let’s take a healthy young male today. There is no reason why that male needs to be on food stamps when he is working full time making $11 per hour. Trust me I used to be in the same position making only $8 and still had $500 a month of just throwaway money.
With this being said, you use that to move up and gain experience. If you’re still making only $11 an hour when you’re 40 years old, you didn’t prepare correctly.
***Now let’s remove minimum wage.***
Take that same male and put him in a place that pays $3 per hour.. the male says he can’t pay his bills and every employee leaves that company and works for another one that pays more. This eventually keeps going on its own until all bills can be paid for. = Unenforced minimum wages based on the household needs

Please if you’re going to respond, plan accordingly.

Where did you live, where $11 per hour was your wage, and your living conditions seemed adequate to you - with $500 of throwaway money too! What was your rent? What modern amenities did you have (TV, PC with fast internet, etc)?

Oh oops, you made $8

So tell me. And also, WHEN was this. Because inflation 😉

Texas, I was getting paid $8 per hour, and living in a studio apartment for $400 a month. I had an average honda for a car and even went to community college and paid for it. I did this for a year and a half.

And this was about 2012

So the inflation isn’t that high

11.6% to be exact

I would need to get paid $9 today to do the exact same thing

400 for rent is obscenely low for the vast majority of the country.

But okay I will ignore inflation in fact. 8 * 40 * 4 = 1280. 400 in rent, so you're left with 880

Like I said, make it based on what the household needs