Message from @Sheamus
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Do you think EFF will gain some more voters in 2019?
More than the 6.35% but I doubt that they will really increase significantly. The ANC will probably win some of the support back that it lost the last few rounds of elections. All and all I think the balance of power will remain spread out along the same lines as it presently is.
@spursfan82 I really dont know how Ernst could come accross as agressive lol, or even racist for that matter. He was just firm in his stance, he doesnt sway to peoples emotions, and thats what bugs them. A person who's steadfast in reason cannot have their feelings exploited, such a person cannot be swayed the other way. Let the people feel, afterall it is their own hell they create, their own misery, and their own suffering because they just refuse to acknowledge or accept the facts and truths. Anyone reasonable watching can see who the enemies of the truth is, the liars and the ignorant. So what if they are bigger in numbers, the bigger the echo chamber, the more ignorant the fools are. It's a damn shame, but the world is watching, and they are witnessing the truth none the less.
@Sheamus and @spursfan82 have you guys considered the strategy of the ANC on EWC and the various responses and how it plays into their hands. I find it a very interesting chess match and one, I am sad to say, I believe the ANC is presently winning. However, I believe their victory will be short lived and will come at a much greater cost than the ANC anticipates.
@ABear yeah! are you saying their short-lived victory come at great cost to the ANC?
Yes, but really to South Africans in general.
how so?
@ABear it's a game no doubt, and they are winning by their own crooked rules. but make no mistake, they only win because their opposition doesn't lower themselves to play that game.
No... they are winning because they are playing it smarter than most. So this take on it. They knew they had enough votes to pass EWC in Feb but chose not to do so at that time. They embarked on the farce of public participation and they did so to apiece their critics. They silenced Malema who was very vocal and increasingly calling for violence against white people until Australia came out in support of a visa for white SA farmers on humanitarian grounds. Malema has toned his warlord like tone down significantly since than even suggesting that white people is welcome here. And than something interesting happened. The ANC started to punt the idea that the constitution in its present format already allows for EWC. Even more interesting was the announcement by the ANC that they "have listened to the people" and are going to roll out EWC to test the constitution as it stands, which everyone criticized as premature. However, I think it was genius. Ever since that announcement an increasing number of academics and business leaders has come out in support of the idea that the constitution presently allows for EWC and that no change is required or that a cosmetic amendment will be sufficient. That is exactly what I believe the ANC wanted...
Most of the speakers apposing EWC during the parliamentary inquiry supported the idea that the constitution presently allows for EWC and this is why I think they did so. The constitution as it stands require that a court must decide on if compensation is required given a very specific case. The Expropriation act will be amended to bring it in line with the constitution in this regard with a provision that eviction shall be effected upon delivery of the expropriation notice. That way the land will immediately be taken. Any local or international opposition will be stifled because the government will argue, correctly, that the evicted person has the right to claim compensation through a court process which we all know will be protracted and only settled years after eviction. The international community will have no choice from a political point of view other than to allow it to play out in the courts.
So, the ANC get to take the land without having to pay a sent for it while the amounts is argue through a lengthy legal court battle. But I believe heir victory will be short lived because this is no victory for the EFF
@ABear lol so then play with the geniuses, at least i now know where you stand. Just remember, a lack of participation in a simple game of cheating, deception and exploitation does not mean retarded. Those with principles play more challenging games to better themselves. If the better persons are to abandon principles and lower their standards, they certainly can and will play it better than the rest. Bring a knife to a fist fight and they will bring a gun to a knife fight. You can always outplay your opponents, question really comes down to should you? I don't think their strategy is any good, their end game doesn't win them anything, they loose. Just watch and see.
What the hell are you on about... if you don't bother reading or your incapable interpreting English than just fuck off. I never once indicated that I support what the ANC is doing. I am simply analyzing.
@ABear you admire them, so i said, go play with them if you admire them.
You don't call someone a genius if you don't admire them. Genius is meant to be admired lol
At least i bother considering their motives and strategy. I don't blindly assume they are black and therefore stupid. That would be stupid
I don't think i am in the mood to suffer fools tonight.. cheers
@ABear i don't consider them stupid because they are black. I consider them stupid because they cheat, deceive and exploit. I never once mentioned Color,... But you brought it up
nah it's not admiration. They a smart in a devious way
@spursfan82 cunning is the word then, not genius.
or evil-genius
@spursfan82 cunning: having or showing skill in achieving one's ends by deceit or evasion.
synonyms:crafty, wily, artful, guileful, devious, sly, knowing, scheming, designing, tricky, slippery, slick, manipulative, Machiavellian, deceitful, deceptive, duplicitous, Janus-faced
Genius: exceptional intellectual or creative power or other natural ability.
synonyms: brilliance, great intelligence, great intellect, great ability, cleverness, brains, erudition, wisdom, sagacity, fine mind, wit, artistry, flair, creative power, precocity, precociousness
get over semantics already. If you want to challenge my analysis by all means do so. just don't tell me who i admire or support in this debate, as if it even matters, when it should be clear as day to any intelligent observer on which side of the fence i am anchored. And yes. your initial response was utterly idiotic
@spursfan82 the last remarks was directed @Sheamus not at you
@ABear choose your words more carefully then, don't be ignorant of the meaning for the words you use. If you going to use genius to describe them, then you define them by that word. You used that word, not me.
I stand by my choice of words. I concede that cunning is appropriate also... but the strategy has elements of foresight and intelligence to it. Is suspect that Hitler might have been described by some as genius from time to time although i also believe it an insult to suggest those that describe him as such as admiring of the man in any shape or form. context is everything
Lol see this is where we differ.. I'm a man of principle, you are a man of context. Good to see where i stand with you.
and i find myself suffering a fool. Good night
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