Message from @Nidalap Rorrim
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@Rainbow Monkeys it be difficult to convince people to ignore Malema, considering the things he says is materializing. Kill the farmers and EWC are two big examples of this, so to ignore him would be silly from both sides, on the affected side which is everyone being targeted to be murdered and their property taken from them by the force of the state that they pay tax to, or if you on the other side of the fence, then it would only make sense to use Malema for easy gains, they too would tell you to go fly a kite lol.. It's a messed up situation and problem really. You have people ideologically opposed to one another, which creates the issue of the perception of us vs them, and then that golden rule that encourages equity, which is love thy neighbour as thy own self goes out the door, and becomes non existent as lawlessness takes over. Independent communities like Orania and Zululand become the prime example that seperate but equal development are coming into fashion again as people take interest at how differently and more at peace the lives are of those in an ideologically cohesive culture are not too concerned about their immediate surroundings at all. We can keep diversity in the form of diverse communities, each doing their own experiment. Those that fail can learn from those that succeed and eventually we will reach a new common understanding of success that benefits all, which would put us on an equal footing in respect to value of contributions to society as well as behavior and tolerance towards one another, and to perhaps finally bring about the final conclusion of what was meant to be be achieved initially.
@Sheamus Well said. I think ANC is only letting malema's nonsense materialize because they're between a rock and a hard surface due to elections the following year. Land uncertainty is pushing investors away which poses a problem as well. You can't just rock up on empty land and build up shacks, morally it's seriously rude and lawfully it's illegal. I understand our justice system is beyond repair, but celebrating that the police force have gained more golf GTIs is utterly pathetic. A Polo will do just fine, instead rather that GTI money could be channelled to further enhancing the legacy systems that are prone to fraud and implementing better communication solutions for life threatening situations. Look, the new generation of children cannot suffer the us vs them plague because they literally have nothing to do with racism - we've lost it, parents aren't teaching their kids to dwell away from racism altogether but instead making their children believe between black and white. Not long ago Julias was now attacking the Indians, Lol I honestly feel like that person doesn't deserve to speak because of the level of aids coming from him. But if you say that equal development is becoming a norm again then I guess there's some sort of glimpse of hope. The sad truth is that, the world is moving on and thinking bigger everyday, if we don't catch a wake up, we'll find ourselves without a country to live in.
@Rainbow Monkeys yeah let every independent community that wants to be, just exist on a municipal level where they live and work together in an ideologically cohesive environment that is familiar and predictable to them, and peace will be abundant to be found. We can still do business and trade with other communities, as well as learn from one another. It's still a national building effort.
And that last part about the world moving on to bigger things and thinking bigger and us falling behind, that's unfortunately so true, we are rather far behind now, in spite of not having needed to be. And as things are going, getting bail outs from China, i can only imagine you might be right, we could be found without a country to live in.
@Sheamus I just have to admit though, some of the municipalities were unnecessary. Lol I feel like if you got the office of the premier then traditional affairs and a few municipalities were just fine but because government.. I'm not in politics or anything associated just that facts outweigh perceptions and that's not the case here. Nonetheless, we as society have to let go of our double standards as @Rendier keeps mentioning, blaming the government the entire time just creates a problem on a problem and we need to respect each other and gain back that humane society we were working towards. Some other stuff are unnecessary and admittedly the older generation has really failed the youth and now it's to Hoping the forthcoming generation moves forward with the unity. Right now people don't even want to work anymore because Grant.. But then go on later to complain about unemployment. Here's a simple scenario, black rural townships complain about food shortages and unemployment. Their houses are only 10m big and the rest is the entire yard, they get access to free water and electricity, why not build up a young farm and get people to help you out (en route employment) and then sell to supermarkets, if you've got the knowledge to understand the whole sassa system then you most definitely have the knowledge to understand simple economics. But instead they'd rather spend money on alcohol and then go tarnish government for not providing food. I'm not trying to talk bad about them, I'm just merely stating facts that sometimes taking steps like these could become a serious change in rural townships. The big cities were once rural areas..
@Rainbow Monkeys yeah i know what you mean, it is fact. Reminds me of a colleague i worked with, told me about this group in his parents community that got a piece of farm land, and he advised the people to turn the farm house into a bed and breakfast kind of tourist related business, expand the quarters to accommodate the community and work the land, all those in the community not working a job outside of the community can still keep productive. Crime would go down as everyone is busy one way or another, and they would have something that develops then...
But he says a week later when he went back to help them get organized, the farm house already taken apart and stripped down, and used to build new shacks or upgrade their old ones, and no one really had the motivation to farm for no monetary return.
So there are some things to note from incidents like these... There is this mindset that is cultivated. You are right, there is much potential to this, but it's not kicking off quite as we would expect, because our expectations are based on what we understand, and what makes sense... Their is a while other perception of different expectations and understanding, so the interpretation is so dodgy.
@Sheamus Lol! That's terrible though, seriously terrible. There's so much room for creativity and innovation especially with tourism and farming. We can't be importing mealie meals regardless of the type of technology used on the mealie. Some things we just have stop and rethink the approach. That farm house could've boosted productivity, gotten people into jobs, a bit of CSR (corporate social responsibility) would've been done by subsidising the workers with access to education, that would help the individual and yourself with your business. Eventually the community would follow suite and there you've got your CSR. Still goes back to farm killings, they do a lot of CSR which is unfair to murder them because there are black families that work with them and make a living off of that. Seriously unfair. But back on topic, those shacks bring in no land value and according to UN they're supposed to be uninhabitable, even so government agrees especially with excessive amounts of heat. They don't bring in any land value and where there's any economic activity and room for serious growth investors will always follow, that's just how it is. Things don't just appear and then there's a successful city. If you receive free water and electricity then you basically have cost of maintenance to a near zero. Gives you room to focus on other pressing issues - but hey you're right, there's a serious problem with the mindset there. If you drive by a rural area it looks like sand. Did you know that even with no roads, or even proper fencing; if the communities worked together to clean up the paths and put grass, just that simple idea, you'd see rural areas in totally different perspective, in fact it would look inviting. It's all about the effort and basic stuff, something as small as grass can make a serious amount of change.
Alright, I'm off to bed now, nighty nite✌.
@Rainbow Monkeys yeah still in agreement. Thanks for the time and conversation, i enjoyed it. Good night
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isn't that the dweeb that got BTOF by Lauren Southern and Molyneux?
GG @spursfan82, you just advanced to level 9!
"most reject the EFF's policy plan once they understand it"
Yup! I think the EFF are banking on people not understanding the implications of EWC
But we know that lol, they are exploiting the people, while telling the that it is us trying to help them that are exploiting them... It's a battle of ideas, lots of deception involved.
Lol can't believe they put those memes out there lol, free publicity of spicy memes on a mainstream platform lol.
no ways...
"Willem Petzer and his wife Rene outside whites-only town Orania."
no place for racist shit like that
Still it is kak funny coming from a mainstream platform lol, imagine trying to explain to someone how bad the k word is, but you keep saying the full word... That's what this article achieved in principle.
hehe yeah its a hard one to report on. I guess they figured linking the name with the image makes up for it
Yeah except people reading it will find many of those amusing lol free publicity, whether it be bad is still good publicity lol
!invite
Malcolm the Seceder, it doesn't look like you can use that. <:SMILESWEAT6:403540174069432320>
My God
That made my day
Isn't publishing private conversations that you were not party to slander? (Strictly, these conversations are public, but the citizen doesn't seem to know that, so publishing them constitutes malice).
well, typically the people doing this kind of thing are cowards
oops, chatting about gnomeo, the citizen put names on the article
they're just idiots
@Derde yeah, but that doesn't stop people from committing a crime as long as it's virtue signalling
you never know, that pink haired unicorn might just see your signal and touch your virtue
Have you guys got any news on this Nicholas Ninow guy that supposedly raped a 6 year old at a restaurant in Pretoria?
First I'm hearing about it
same here.
Saw the video clip... Not really showing much damming really, so will need to wait for testimony of the girl and DNA test to be sure.