if you have 100 spots to fill and "positively discriminate" against someone that only means that someone else who is more deserving gets left out

But that’s assuming a zero sum scenario.

is there ever a scenario that is not zero sum where affirmative action is applied?

If an employer decides it’s February so I’m going to give a $100 bonus out of pocket to all my black employees for black history month or some shit that’s a positive discriminatory act. No nonblack employees are hurt by you doing this

That doesn’t make it not discriminatory though

thats extremely discriminatory

Any form of positive discrimination inherently contains negative discrimination.

And vice versa.

also... even the people "profiting" from affirmative action are actually hurt by it... by the existence because it discourages them from being "their best" and everyone who gets hired has to work against the stigma of possibly being a "diversity hire"

any form of discrimination is discrimination, it literally means to make a difference

deller, that example is not affirmative action 😉

No, but it’s positive discrimination

There is no positive affirmative action

but i could construe the negative effect of it if you want me to 😄

Affirmative action just sucks

yip

on every level

And should have disappeared 30+ years ago

pushing people into positions they are not qualified for never helps anyone

and if they are qualified they do not need affirmative action to begin with

It was necessary in to help out the generations devastated by Jim Crow, but Jim Crow laws haven’t existed in over 50 years

it was the wrong way to go even then.

There’s literally no justification for keeping this shit

don't hire unqualified people, turn them into qualified people and then hire them based on their qualifications

might be more expensive in the short run but will end up with a working system in the forseeable future... affirmative action ensures that you will have unqualified people forever

I agree, affirmative action was always a shit solution. I like to compare it to a gun shot. Black America was shot repeatedly by the Government. The government then realized they were in the wrong and decided know what, we’re sorry, let me help you. Then they went to the bleeding black guy and handed him a Band-aid called affirmative action. The band-aid doesn’t actually make the bullet wound go away, & barely stops the bleeding. All it does is cover up the wound so nobody has to look at it anymore.

The black guy is still on the ground bleeding out, and the government gets to pretend like it actually helped

Meanwhile all it did was make everything worse like usual

but hey... feminism is working on making affirmative action redundant... so there is one good thing coming out if it 😄

Plz no

if you can self identify as a black woman you get all the affirmative action you want 😄

replacing the unqualified black workers with unqualified female workers as a forced quota wont help the business or hard working people

and saying that you are not a black woman makes them a racist, transphobic bigot 😄

funny thing is that if women just accepted a 23% pay cut they'd actually achieve their hiring amount 😛

they could also just work higher paid jobs to fill that 23% black hole

and "they" does not include every single woman.

no it wouldnt

if they only work 77% of the time they'll get paid 77% of the 100% wage at any salary

they work more than 77% of the time.

but the adjusted pay gap is somewhere between 4% and 6% and still does not include every variable.